Presonus Studiolive

[Dave SA]

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/4345...m_campaign=base

[Dave SA]

Nobody?

[Simon Lewis]

Nobody?

 

Well, the 24 channel version hasn't been out that long. Do a forum search over at Pro Sound Web... there's been a few discussions there.

[mervaka]

lack of fader recall or any quick, intuitive outboard is a dealbreaker for me. wont be sniffing it.

[Dave SA]

Thanks guys. Just looked interesting for budget installs at a glance.

[Alec]

lack of fader recall or any quick, intuitive outboard is a dealbreaker for me. wont be sniffing it.

 

Think that's slightly harsh... Lack of fader recall is a shame, but remember the price - it's missing for a reason... And, from the reviews, the outboard didn't seem that bad.

 

Haven't tried it myself, but certainly looked interesting. I too am put off a little by the lack of fader recall, but it does look a fantastic proposition for the price. Especially if you treat it more as an analogue replacement than a full on digital desk.

[livesoundproduction]

lack of fader recall or any quick, intuitive outboard is a dealbreaker for me. wont be sniffing it.

 

Think that's slightly harsh... Lack of fader recall is a shame, but remember the price - it's missing for a reason... And, from the reviews, the outboard didn't seem that bad.

 

Haven't tried it myself, but certainly looked interesting. I too am put off a little by the lack of fader recall, but it does look a fantastic proposition for the price. Especially if you treat it more as an analogue replacement than a full on digital desk.

 

 

I agree. You aren't exactly going to be mixing at the O2 or Wembley on the Studiolive. I 'd say it's a perfect desk for churches and the like who need some form of outboard but cant afford it. Much as I would love an SD9 at our church, a Studiolive would be the most economical answer short of a second hand 01V or the like.

[rob098]

lack of fader recall or any quick, intuitive outboard is a dealbreaker for me. wont be sniffing it.

 

Think that's slightly harsh... Lack of fader recall is a shame, but remember the price - it's missing for a reason... And, from the reviews, the outboard didn't seem that bad.

 

Haven't tried it myself, but certainly looked interesting. I too am put off a little by the lack of fader recall, but it does look a fantastic proposition for the price. Especially if you treat it more as an analogue replacement than a full on digital desk.

 

 

I agree. You aren't exactly going to be mixing at the O2 or Wembley on the Studiolive. I 'd say it's a perfect desk for churches and the like who need some form of outboard but cant afford it. Much as I would love an SD9 at our church, a Studiolive would be the most economical answer short of a second hand 01V or the like.

 

 

I too haven't used one of these yet - but I must admit I am seriously interested in checking one out. Theres lots of videos available for this product on youtube.

 

Couple of points I think this board potentially has OVER current digital desks:

 

1) No screen! Finally get beck to the mixing, and looking at the stage. Also (hopefully) better for daylight conditions

2) Integrated multitrack recording (this is usually an expensive expansion board option)

3) non motorised faders - yes you read right, I think this could be an advantage! Reason being, the way the board operates is your faders are always your faders - simples! No bringing up graphics or FX sends or monitor mixes onto your FOH faders. I see this as a real plus for live - ever tried doing a "dub" delay on a digital desk when effect send is on FOH fader?! Besides, if you soundcheck properly your channel faders should be around zero anyway, so no real need for automated recall. I know when I fill out a cue sheet with analogue I very rarely mark anything about my FOH fader positions.

 

One downer I can see is the preamps dont recall either, so good old cue sheet wont be gone for good! Small price to pay for a lot of desk.

Will report back as soon as I've tried one, just wish they made a 32 channel version. (you can link 2*24 and make 48 channels, but thats overkill!)

[mervaka]

lack of fader recall or any quick, intuitive outboard is a dealbreaker for me. wont be sniffing it.

 

Think that's slightly harsh... Lack of fader recall is a shame, but remember the price - it's missing for a reason... And, from the reviews, the outboard didn't seem that bad.

 

Haven't tried it myself, but certainly looked interesting. I too am put off a little by the lack of fader recall, but it does look a fantastic proposition for the price. Especially if you treat it more as an analogue replacement than a full on digital desk.

 

I don't think it's harsh, I just think it's a compromise too far on their part. can you honestly say you could take that desk to mix a live band + mons and use those EQ controls under pressure?

 

or to put it another way, would you be happy mixing on an analogue board in this day and age without swept mids, and only 1 or 2 auxes? a minimum level of acceptability of features has to arise from going digital.

[Dave SA]

Wait... the eq is semi parametric right? And there are six auxes? Am I missing something?

[mervaka]

I didn't say that. I said originally that I didn't like the corners they cut to bring the price down, as it hacks away at the intuitiveness of the controls.

[dbuckley]

Think that's slightly harsh... Lack of fader recall is a shame

I feel I can speak authoratatively on this issue.

 

I have a (well, two actually) Roland VM-3100 digi mixers, which have no motorized faders.

 

I doubt I shall ever use them again, simply because lack of fader recall is too big an issue to work around. Even without the fun that layers brings, just a memory recall means you have no idea where the faders are.

 

All of which is a shame really, 'cos they are nice little mixers.

[rob098]

Think that's slightly harsh... Lack of fader recall is a shame

I feel I can speak authoratatively on this issue.

 

I have a (well, two actually) Roland VM-3100 digi mixers, which have no motorized faders.

 

I doubt I shall ever use them again, simply because lack of fader recall is too big an issue to work around. Even without the fun that layers brings, just a memory recall means you have no idea where the faders are.

 

All of which is a shame really, 'cos they are nice little mixers.

 

 

I'm still struggling to see why not being able to recall faders presents a problem for PA / live sound purposes. It would be a shame if this desk gets written off my many people because they have a knee jerk reaction about the lack of motorised faders (maybe cos it looks cool to have moving faders?!).

Either way in terms of intuitive, its got to beat an LS9!

 

As mentioned earlier I've still yet to try one of these desks, and to that end there could be a whole bunch of stuff I don't like about it - but the more I think about non motorised faders, the more sense I can see in their decision to ditch them! More cost effective, no shared functions, no layers!

[mervaka]

the latter reason is exactly why motorised faders are good in my books. having layers means a smaller footprint. take a look at the A&H iLive R72. that desk is six layers deep, which means up to six times more functionality for the same space. I havent got a phobia of layers, screens and other non-analogue traits. those things are exactly what make a console better for me.

[Bobbsy]

I'm with Mervaka.

 

Two of the big advantages of digital boards are the small footprint (through the use of layers) and the power and flexibility of being able to recall scene snapshots.

 

Neither of these will work without motorised faders--and, without them, I'd probably prefer a decent analogue board.

 

Bob