maxjones2000 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Hi, this isn't for any shows in the near future, but only from a learning point of view, and is probably a really stupid question, so I'm a bit embarrased about asking it. I've been using the Pearl Tiger at my school for shows recently, and I've only been busking off it. However, I was thinking, larger shows (like Rock concerts) who may use this desk (or the Pearl 2004/2008) won't busk, as theres quite a lot to go wrong, so what do they do? Surely they don't use the cuestack as thats quite unpredictable. Do they use a timecode or something (I dont even know whether the Pearl has a timecode function)? Also, a bit random, but whats LTP and HTP? The manual mentions it several times but doesnt explain what it is! Thanks! ;) Sorry this is a bit vague, its just I dont know what to call it! :unsure: :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory O Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Hi,LTP = Lowest takes priorityHTP = Highest takes priority For example for HTP if a fader is set to 75% and the flash intensity is set to 50% the lantern will stay at 75% when the flash button is pressed, if its LTP then its the other way round.Rory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 see in the wiki here:clicky and actually, most people that use a pearl are using it because of its ability to busk easily. I tend to use a mix of palletes, playbacks with chases or scenes and the programmer. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory O Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Ohh its Precedence, Ill try and remember that in future. ThanksRory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjones2000 Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 (sorry, I dont know how to do multiple quotes!) Thanks both of you, thats really helpful! I can imagine LTP and HTP are extremely useful then! Jon: Thanks for the help - so if I wanted to run a proper show (something like BGT - not that I am!) off a Pearl, I'd have to busk? How do they do it on stuff like BGT then (I know they use a Vector Blue), becasue surely busking that must require lightning-speed reactions, and it looks very organised! Thanks very much everyone!! ;) :unsure: :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 For something as rehearsed as BGT it wouldn't be recommended. Busking is mainly done where the show is slightly unpredictable, ie. not rehearsed that much or different every time. When I busk, I have various looks and chases on the playbacks and then mix them together to fit the current mood and use the programmer to edit any speeds etc.This does mean that you can often be a bit behind on the desk when there is a change or your initial look that you thought might fit doesnt and you have to subtley change it to suit. HTH Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bleasdale Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Usually its more about the programmer doing his research. If you know a basic set list, you can learn the songs. I have done shows in the past and learnt songs word for word so I know them inside and out. That way you can follow the song and if you know the song and your cue's/avaliable looks well enough, you will manage just fine. I would suggest you buy this book - http://www.plsnbookshelf.com/catalog/produ...;products_id=28 Brad is a VERY knowledgeable programmer and the book is a great help. It was for me when I first started programming a few years ago. He is bringing a second one out soonish, so it may be best to wait for that, or buy both! :unsure: Hope that helps, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjones2000 Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 For something as rehearsed as BGT it wouldn't be recommended. Busking is mainly done where the show is slightly unpredictable, ie. not rehearsed that much or different every time. When I busk, I have various looks and chases on the playbacks and then mix them together to fit the current mood and use the programmer to edit any speeds etc.This does mean that you can often be a bit behind on the desk when there is a change or your initial look that you thought might fit doesnt and you have to subtley change it to suit. HTH Jon Hi I assumed busking was more for live concerts, that are as you said, unpredictable. I did the same as you do (mix looks together etc) for a recent show (RTTFP), and it does work well, although my lack in knowledge about HTP & LTP did affect it a bit, meaning for some reason, I couldnt mix playbacks...but its all sorted now! Thanks (oh, and busking looks awful when you accidently change the look not in time with the music!) A concurrent post has been automatically merged from this point on. Usually its more about the programmer doing his research. If you know a basic set list, you can learn the songs. I have done shows in the past and learnt songs word for word so I know them inside and out. That way you can follow the song and if you know the song and your cue's/avaliable looks well enough, you will manage just fine. I would suggest you buy this book - http://www.plsnbookshelf.com/catalog/produ...;products_id=28 Brad is a VERY knowledgeable programmer and the book is a great help. It was for me when I first started programming a few years ago. He is bringing a second one out soonish, so it may be best to wait for that, or buy both! ;) Hope that helps, Thanks for the link Joe - I'll get that, looks interesting if nothing else!! I managed to learn the songs for my last show, and I swear I knew them better than the cast singing them! How do you do busking/live lighting on a Vector then, becasue surely you dont have to type '1 thru 5 effects' everytime you want to make them flash a bit in the middle of the song! Can you store things on playbacks like on the Pearl? Thanks everyone :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bleasdale Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Thanks for the link Joe - I'll get that, looks interesting if nothing else!! I managed to learn the songs for my last show, and I swear I knew them better than the cast singing them! How do you do busking/live lighting on a Vector then, becasue surely you dont have to type '1 thru 5 effects' everytime you want to make them flash a bit in the middle of the song! Can you store things on playbacks like on the Pearl? Thanks everyone :unsure: There are a few ways... you can have upto 5 screens on a Blue so there is PLENTY of screen space. You could setup your screens to have softkeys with groups and palettes on so you can just touch a group then apply a palette or effect. You could also have a Qlist on each fader, fader 1 with colour information in, fader 2 with beam information in etc. Or you could have the faders assigned to CMY for example. Fader 1 being Cyan, fader 2 Magenta and fader 3 Yellow. So you can mix them together using the faders. You also have the 10 Qkeys which I personally like to put "bumps" on with are flash cues or just one off cues like random strobe etc. If you had the desk setup to busk, you could (as an example) tap the following on the touchscreen - GROUP 2, EFFECT 4, then Hit go for Fader 1 and Go for fader 2. Fader 1 has colour info on it, so it will go to the next cue (green for example) and fader 2 has beam information in, so the fixtures now have a gobo in to. So now the fixtures are doing an Intensity effect, in green with a gobo in. Granted Vector wasnt built as a busking desk, the Pearl was. However a proficent programmer on any desk should be able to busk if he/she has enough knowledge on said desk. Hope this helps ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 The manual does explain HTP and LTP. Page 27. Section 6.1. "What are HTP and LTP channels". The Tiger does have timecode although, as on any console, this would normally only be used for automation or synchronisation. There's no clear division between busking or not, just different degrees of flexibility you choose to give yourself when programming. This true for any modern programmable console. You can simplify consoles into two areas - ease of programming and the control surface for operation. In an ideal world you want both, but the latter is certainly the priority in a 'busking' environment. Touchscreens are wonderful for programming but they are not tactile and in operation this means you must look away from the stage. The Pearl series has plenty of physical buttons and faders giving you fast, tactile access to things you might need and is probably why people have a preference for them in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacet Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Hi,LTP = Lowest takes priorityHTP = Highest takes priority For example for HTP if a fader is set to 75% and the flash intensity is set to 50% the lantern will stay at 75% when the flash button is pressed, if its LTP then its the other way round.RoryNO! Well, yes on the HTP but very very no on the LTP... Very NO! HTP and LTP are very different and when used properly make the control of 'intelligent' fixtures far easier / better. Somebody else linked to the HTP wiki page but if you missed the link to LTP at the bottom it's here: link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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