Brian Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 The Pyrotechnic Articles (Safety) Regulations 2010 have just been published. These impact upon stage pyro and are worth a read. They are also a perfect example of why you should never lawyers and civil servants draft material that they don't understand <_< The Pyrotechnic Articles (Safety) Regulations 2010 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2010/uksi_20101554_en_1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1159 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 They are also a perfect example of why you should never lawyers and civil servants draft material that they don't understand <_< Don't suppose there is a non lawyers guide to what it is actually saying in plain English? I get easily confused when paragraph x refers to subsection y that doesn't apply when it is a full moon unless there is a y in the day!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boswell Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 These impact upon stage pyro and are worth a read. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2010/uksi_20101554_en_1 I am being thick but I've read the section on pyro and it all relates to the supply & marking of same, can't see how it impacts on the theatre end user!nothing I can see about storage or setting off (or it's buried deep in the text) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I am being thick but I've read the section on pyro and it all relates to the supply & marking of same, can't see how it impacts on the theatre end user!nothing I can see about storage or setting off (or it's buried deep in the text)Prohibition on supply of pyrotechnic articles 33.—(1) No person shall supply a category 4 firework, a category T2 theatrical pyrotechnic article or a category P2 other pyrotechnic article, except to a person with specialist knowledge falling within regulation 42 .... (2) A person with specialist knowledge for category T2 theatrical pyrotechnic articles is any individual who can demonstrate having— (a) undertaken training recognised in the theatrical profession, in relation to the type of category T2 theatrical pyrotechnic articles to be supplied; .... 2. In relation to theatrical pyrotechnic articles— (a) category T1 is a category of pyrotechnic articles for stage use which present a low hazard; (b) category T2 is a category of pyrotechnic articles for stage use which are intended for use only by persons with specialist knowledge. Pyro tech licence? David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 "training recognised in the theatrical profession" Which I read as recognised by the theatrical profession, So if it's an industry standard by industry consensus then it's OK. BUT that's only my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I note that it doesn't specifically mention a training course or any formal certification - simply industry-recognised training. Would that imply that in-service training received 'on the job' would satisfy that criteria? Who decides what constitutes 'recognised' training? Who decides which products fall into category T1 and T2? Where can I find a list of which products are in which category? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I note that it doesn't specifically mention a training course or any formal certification - simply industry-recognised training. Would that imply that in-service training received 'on the job' would satisfy that criteria? Who decides what constitutes 'recognised' training? Who decides which products fall into category T1 and T2? Where can I find a list of which products are in which category?Seller: "You trained to use these?" "Absolutely!" If you're not they've just committed an offence by selling to you so you can't blame them for wanting some kind of proof to show them. Not sure how that can be squared with on the job experience without perhaps some kind of certification. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 That's kinda my point, really. There are plenty of people who've been working in the business for many years and have tons of experience with pyro, but no formal certificate to prove that. How is that going to be policed? Is every single one of us expected to attend a formal course? Who's going to foot the bill for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 15, 2010 Author Share Posted June 15, 2010 Who decides which products fall into category T1 and T2? Where can I find a list of which products are in which category?That'll be the EU working group which has yet to finish its work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlinford Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Who decides which products fall into category T1 and T2? Where can I find a list of which products are in which category?That'll be the EU working group which has yet to finish its work. No no, the regulations make that quite clear. For one you need to be over 18 and for the other you need to be competent in using them... It's a horribly drafted bit of legislation and yet another example of misguided EU directives making life more difficult and expensive for everyone for no real discernible benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Unless Kiwi's are barred from the site, you guys have worn that link out - it no longer appears to work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightsource Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Unless Kiwi's are barred from the site, you guys have worn that link out - it no longer appears to work... Well, initially, I thought Kiwi's were banned....as I was reading the gobbledygook when you posted. Just checked the link again, after your comment, and it comes back with 'Page not found' Maybe the Plain English Speaking Society have taken offence and hacked the site to stop us all going cross eyed at the multiple cross references, repititions and the varying foot notes at the bottom of each page. It has to be one of the worst pieces I have ever read. If you really want to read it ( please don't as there are sanity issues involved), PM me a valid email address and I'll send you the PDF, As it was in public domain it should be ok. ..................... Just checked the link again and it appears to be working now...... overnight maintenance perhaps <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Just checked the link again and it appears to be working now...... overnight maintenance perhaps <_<So it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godoflight Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I note that PART 3 - the bit that covers pyro does not come into force until the 4th July 2013. I interpret Regulation 42 section 2 to mean that if you are trained OR have ever used a pyrotechnic AND have liability insurance covering the use of pyro then you are deemed competent.Surly this means that this is just some more legislation that can be waved around but doesn't actually affect anything unless you are an uninsured cowboy.... Presumably suppliers will just start asking for insurance certificates? A person with specialist knowledge for category T2 theatrical pyrotechnic articles is anyindividual who can demonstrate having—a) undertaken training recognized in the theatrical profession, in relation to the type ofcategory T2 theatrical pyrotechnic articles to be supplied;b) used category T2 theatrical pyrotechnic articles; andc) valid liability insurance covering use of category T2 theatrical pyrotechnic articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 ... for no real discernible benefit. From the associated notes... 78. After careful consideration of the issues and screening against the Department of Health's HIA screening questions, we have concluded that a full Health Impact Assessment is not required. While it is acknowledged that fireworks are potentially hazardous, (there being approximately 1,000 accidents per year involving fireworks), it is felt that the new regulations will not make a significant difference to the accident rate. However, to the extent that there is an impact, harmonised European safety standards should ultimately increase safety, although this potential impact is not directly measurable. ...my bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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