gazzer1uk Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Hi guys, Still experimenting with our singer, he likes to have one ear piece in and the other hanging out.... clearly were not quite giving him what he wants yet! Is there a UK company that does the moulded ear pieces, my google search failed abismally, it will need to be compatible with a mature sennheiser bodypack but suspect that wont be much of an issue! Cheers, Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkPAman Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 ACS :** laughs out loud **: I understand that "one in,one out" is not recommended as it leads to very high volumes being used in the monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound Man Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Have you looked at the Earmoulds from Canford Audio ? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzer1uk Posted June 14, 2010 Author Share Posted June 14, 2010 Thanks guys, Will try the link. Interesting about the volume on the monitors, we do have that problem in which the vocalist wants it louder and louder........ is anyone able to explain this phenomenom, I would like to tackle the singer about it, as we have a big issue with the monitors being loud and all that brings with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 ........ is anyone able to explain this phenomenom, It's called binaural summation, and is an effect whereby the brain perceives a sound heard by two ears as louder than a monaural one. The tendency is to push up the IEM about 6dB louder when only one is used. That can lead to a significantly higher noise exposure level. I think that Shure have a tech paper on the subject... yup - see page 31 here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hounsome Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 there are a few companies that do them. you can get Ultimate Ears (http://www.ultimateears.com/_ultimateears/products/findyourearphones.php) from Handheld Audio (www.handheldaudio.co.uk) or direct from there web site or http://www.hearingprotection.co.uk/ I got a set made for my Triple Fi 10's by them. before I got my custom IEM's from UE made. colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Hope-Streeter Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Hi guys,Still experimenting with our singer, he likes to have one ear piece in and the other hanging out.... clearly were not quite giving him what he wants yet! Are you blending a pair of "ambient" mics into his mix to give him some atmosphere? If not, try it. If you are already doing that, then try experimenting with positions, stereo spread etc until he gets a feeling of being in the room rather than being shut in a vocal booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzer1uk Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thanks for good advice guys, having an explanation has stunned our vocalist. Ambient mikes seem a good idea, so will have a play, altough I believe some ambience would be achieved by the 4 mikes we have on stage for vocals picking up the back line anyway..... that said if these were front of house, we would also get an idea of what the actual sound was like?? Sounds like a fun project for blending!!! Cheers, Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilflet Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Ambient mikes seem a good idea, so will have a play, altough I believe some ambience would be achieved by the 4 mikes we have on stage for vocals picking up the back line anyway.....Not quite that simple, With the ears in he wont be able to hear the crowd in the same way he would otherwise, he wont hear the drummer shout 1..2.. etc (not into a mic).riders I see will vary rarley have bands on in-ears without ambient mics on the front of the stage. Also, dont be afraid to put things into the monitors that with normal monitoring youd think we're stupid to put in (such as a bit of drum overheads can make them feel their on the stage more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyP1955 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Many singers (and public speakers) are self regulating - and not in a good way. "I need more monitor". So you give him more. What happens? He either backs off the mic or sings quieter - making his level in the monitor exactly the same as it was before - only now it has more stage wash it it. "I need more monitor". The cycle continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzer1uk Posted June 28, 2010 Author Share Posted June 28, 2010 Thanks for all the advice folks, Our vocalist has booked himself into hearing protection in Banbury, and we will put a couple of ambient mics to let him hear himself as part of the band, and as an entity on his own. Will it solve the problem, well to be determined, clearly wont be any worse off, but that has its issues, but with some experimentation and a proper slow technical set up, we should do OK I guess!!! I'll post progress as no doubt will be looking for some more ideas and help at some time! Cheers, Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abnexo Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Get them done by sensaphonics in the states, ACS carry out 90% off the in=ear moulds done in the country, with the exception of a few private clinics, I have had 30-40 moulds done by ACS, through handheld, for clients I have been working for, and 25 of them were faulty fitting, handheld were great about it, but in the end basically said it was ACS, and they aren't very good! Since then, I have used sensaphonics, yes you have to pay postage and import duty from time to time, however you get the result you expect first time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve E Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I have had hearing protection made by Ultimate Ear and they have been well worth it. Try checking them out they have a good website and are pleasent to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanborrowman Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 We sell Proguard ones. You can either buy complete monitors or moulded tips for standard headphones. You essentially get an empty box with instructions on where to get the moulds done locally, which you send off. http://www.showcomms.co.uk/-c-3_154.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim b Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Get them done by sensaphonics in the states, ACS carry out 90% off the in=ear moulds done in the country, with the exception of a few private clinics, I have had 30-40 moulds done by ACS, through handheld, for clients I have been working for, and 25 of them were faulty fitting, handheld were great about it, but in the end basically said it was ACS, and they aren't very good! Since then, I have used sensaphonics, yes you have to pay postage and import duty from time to time, however you get the result you expect first time! Interesting-I had a set of IEMs done for me and the band I was working for last year via AudioRelief and all fitted well, no faulty impressions. Audio Relief used their own network of audiologists to take impressions. Did Handheld tell you where they thought the fault was-impression taking or manufacture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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