PAR 56 300W Powerful enough?

[Frankinsten]

Hi,

I am quite intrested in buying 2 Shortnose Par56 cans for an upcoming gig. My plan of action is to use them as front light with 300w m38 lamps (with Raylight reflectors) along with a red gel.

 

However, do you think they will be bright enough for the front lighting?

Tom

 

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[Andrew C]

However, do you think they will be bright another for the front lighting?

Sorry, but what does that question even mean?

[gareth]

However, do you think they will be bright another for the front lighting?

Sorry, but what does that question even mean?

For that matter, what does the title of your post ("PAR 56 300W Powerful another?") mean? It doesn't make any sense.

[Frankinsten]

Well, the question is, Would 300 watts be bright enough for what for a bit of front lighting? I have attached a diagram of what I mean. 2 Par 56 near each end of the stage facing the centre

 

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8291/47873813.jpg

The red being the 2 300w Par 56. I have tryed a few 650w Fresnel however they were too bright and require the brightness to never go over 50%.

 

Edit:

For that matter, what does the title of your post ("PAR 56 300W Powerful another?") mean? It doesn't make any sense.

 

Sorry about the title, I'm half asleep. I meant "Par 56, Would it be powerful enough? But It seams I am not able to change the title

[TomHoward]

I would have said the 650W Fresnels would be your best bet, set at their widest angle. The PAR56s will certainly be less powerful, but you may find that the beams are a little tight to get the coverage compared to fresnels.

[Matthew Robinson]

The red being the 2 300w Par 56. I have tryed a few 650w Fresnel however they were too bright and require the brightness to never go over 50%.

 

but why is that wrong? Surely it's the case that you have lights on the level that they require to be on!

[pritch]

How big's the stage? Hollywood Bowl? Arena tour? Local pub? Village hall?

[Frankinsten]

The red being the 2 300w Par 56. I have tryed a few 650w Fresnel however they were too bright and require the brightness to never go over 50%.

 

but why is that wrong? Surely it's the case that you have lights on the level that they require to be on!

 

 

I know what you mean, however when there is only ever two spare fresnel, I sometimes feel they could be used better...

 

How big's the stage? Hollywood Bowl? Arena tour? Local pub? Village hall?

 

It a large school hall, with 40 lights already setup on the lighting rails. (12 spots (600w GKV), 8 flood(500w), 20 frensel (650W T27)

[gareth]

I have tryed a few 650w Fresnel however they were too bright and require the brightness to never go over 50%.

Who or what 'requires' this? Are you saying that someone has said to you that the fresnels were too bright for the effect you were trying to achieve? If that's the case, just knock the channel down a bit on the desk!!!!

[paulears]

Moderation: I've fixed the title - thanks everybody for the reports - and it's now in the correct area. P

[RoyJ]

:D Hi, I think you have to remember it's all a question of balance.I wouldn't use raylights front of house ( FOH ), I would use profiles or pc's.The problem with the par56's are they generally flood everything with no control of beam.As has been said before, you could keep the fresnels on check or down wattage them.You would get better results using something like source 4 jnr's or acclaims or even patt23's.If money is an issue, why not try stagetec's stagebeam pc's with barndoors for your front of house.Keep it illuminated Roy

P.S. Remember the easy way,isn't always the best way! And always remember what has the director/show designer asked you to do? If you really have to use pars, then multipars or beam specific par 56's would give you the coverage.

[johndenim]

two par cans even on a large stage would not give enough spread.

 

Pars are designed to be in an array for fill, or singular for lighting a single object or performer.

What's on stage?

A band?

you need to be a little more specific.

[dan slv-tech]

and bare in mind as soon as you pop a red gel in front of them they will lose intensity, different colours affect the lights intensity.

 

Dark Reds, Dark blues,Dark Greens,... personally 2 300watt PARS on the front isnt going to cut it, not wide enough throw, will look too much like headlights,(sploges) youd be better off using 4 at half the power thus spreading the perceived "red" assuming you have dimmers?

 

Of course, bare in mind the amount of power they will require.

Could look at PAR LED Cans, with a DMX controller, theyre are bright for about 10mts (pulse ones from CPC arnt to bad) no where near the intensity of a PA6 56 standard bulb, but you can run lots more of them per the 1 can thus giving a general wash.

 

Club I maintain has 12 of them around the stage, and to be honest, they work well for throwing colour, I would never use them to light a stage per say.

Still use PAR64 out the front for that.

 

Dan

[dmxtothemax]

It depends on a few things!

How dark is the red gel,

If its a rosy type red, like fire, it might work,

But if its a darker primary type red,Then it might not work.

I have found that 300w par 56s are not really usefull for color washs unless,

They are close (small stage).

Or you are using mainly lighter colors.

For best color washs minimum 500w.

500w ray lights are useable, but the beam is not wide.

The best color washs are 1000w par 64s, with med or wide flood lamps.

But they run quite hot and burn gels quickly.

Why dont you try the 500w or even the 650w version of the M38 lamp?

But I think you will find the ray light reflectors give a narrow beam,

whilst for washs a wider beam is usually used.

 

Moderation: Unnecessary quote removed.

[paulears]

Moderation: The OP has had some 'communication' from the mods, and I suspect is now aware of what we're saying, so maybe we could let this one go?

 

If he pops up with some more info, then maybe it can progress, but we've all got the same photocopy of the hymn sheet here.