slammin Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Hi, I'm looking into gettinga 48ch sound desk for a church that I attend and I'm not sure what to go for. We currently use an A&H GL3300 (32ch) which has served us really well, but we need more inputs. Everyone is really used to the format and layout of the GL, so I wouldn't wan't to move too far from that. I am fotunate enough to use an iLive 112 where I work (which I love) and was thinking that it might be time to change to a digital desk (but I'm also aware that the other guys that help out don't do this for a living!), so the T-series might be an option. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Depends on your budget and who will be using it, which you touched on, but based on those 2 factors you could look at the cheapest option of adding a second desk for drums or a group of mics perhaps or at the opposide end buying an iLive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techywhizz Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 It depends where you church meets.. Lots of churches have problems with stage volume so are exploring in ear monitoring solutions. If thats the case then a desk like the m400 might be a good shout.. It's a 48 channel desk that also allows for thr m48 personal iem mixer solution.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 The A&H digital offerings are lovely desks that sound pretty nice too. However, assuming budget is an issue, any short list should include the Yamaha M7CL as well. With its fader-per-channel architecture, it's also an easy transition for operators used to analogue desks--I've seen briefcase engineers walk up to them and do a creditable job of mixing with only a few minutes training. I also have a personal liking for the Soundcraft Vi series which has a user interface that just happens to suit me well. It's another one to look at if the budget can stretch. But the main thing is...when you get up to this size and price for a desk, long demos are essential, preferably on-site. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb705 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 The standard digital desk for 48 channels in a HoW appears to be the M7CL, IIRC that's what they were originally marketed for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercuryavltd Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Hi, I'm looking into gettinga 48ch sound desk for a church that I attend and I'm not sure what to go for. We currently use an A&H GL3300 (32ch) which has served us really well, but we need more inputs. Everyone is really used to the format and layout of the GL, so I wouldn't wan't to move too far from that. I am fotunate enough to use an iLive 112 where I work (which I love) and was thinking that it might be time to change to a digital desk (but I'm also aware that the other guys that help out don't do this for a living!), so the T-series might be an option. Any ideas? An iLive T112 surface with iDR48 stagebox would cost less than £11K + VAT, which is considerably cheaper than an M7CL-48. Unlike an M7CL you get the added benefit of an integrated digital stagebox system. A length of good quality CAT5 cable, upto 120M long will give you 48 sends + 24 returns. A 48 x 24 digital stagebox system for the M7CL is an expensive optional extra. If you take this into account, then the iLive T system is much more in line with LS9 pricing. In addition to the 48 inputs and 24 outputs on the stagebox you have an additional 16 inputs and 12 outputs locally on the surface which can be freely assigned. The quality of the preamps and effects on the T Series have gained an excellent reputation for sounding transparent and 'analogue'. If I have one gripe, it would be that the T Series surface has 4 layers of 20 channel control strips, rather than 48 actual faders, however, the channel assignment on the T Series is very flexible so it is easy to re-arrange the channels/layers for easy operation. Using layers means a physically smaller surface, so the desk takes up less room in a venue, is easier to transport and doesn't need long arms to operate. The surface is quite 'retro' in its design so operation can be quickly learned by any one who can work their way around an analogue desk. If you are local to us then please let me know and I will be happy to arrange a demo of a T112 / iDR48 system. The M7CL is an industry standard product, which is useful for a rental company if they want to cross hire it but for an owner/operator or a fixed installation in a venue I really think that the price / performance / features of the T Series make this a much better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsparrow Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 There's nothing wrong with adding a submixer, years ago in theatre sound we used to use up to 3 desks: main vocals/radios on one, orchestra/band on another, floats etc on a third. Only problem is tying auxes together but I think you can do this with the A&H stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound Man Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 If your desk has got the SysLink option fitted you can link another A&H desk with it. If you spend the time searching you may be able to pick up another GL3300 desk which would sit nicely next to your current one. I am curious to know why you need 48 channels. Is every channel of your current 32 input desk in regular use. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Hi, Many churches have made the move to digital desks and are more than happy with them. However, you do need to ask the question, what happens if you install (say) a T series, and you aren't there to mix? Who operates the desk during the week for funerals or other events? There is a lot to be said for expanding your exisiting system with anything from a Mixwizard to another GL3300. However, if your leadership are sold on the digital idea, and you do have sufficient experienced users to make the transition smoothly, then I woudl certainly look at the T series as an excellent desk at a reasonable price point. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmills Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 One thing to watch on the T series (I have one here) is that the scene recall is noticeably slow, which is not a problem for typical music venue usage, but can be a serious issue for anything theatrical in nature, as it means that there can be a delay of up to half a second or so in executing a recall cue. Not a showstopper, but something to consider if theatrical style stuff is a big part of what you do. Regards, Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haymere Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 The cheapest option would be to sys link a mix wizard But if you want digital what about an expanded LS9/32 with decent ADAT preamps e.g Focusrite Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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