Patt 137/S Batten Lamps

[lxtechman]

Morning All From probably the only place in the UK With No Snow (Dorset will be that only green patch on the weather and news maps im pretty Sure).

 

When I went to a Stage lighting Hire & Sales Company Not A Million miles from here. I Had Ordered some 200w GLS ES Lamps for Some of my and some customers Patt 137/237 & S Battens.

 

Only to be told they no longer stock the 200w lamps only 150w lamps. with no explanation as to why or if this was now a permamnent situation.

(They told me only 6 months back thay would still be stocking both 150 and 200w versions (though did suggest I and my clients look at replacing them with codas or such like).

 

Does anybody know of any suppliers or where to obtain the 200w lamps or if they have been discontinued.

 

S Battens always seem to work best with 200w lamps.

137's especially if they have the glass reflectors could really do with 200's (depending on useage sometimes)

 

Look Foreward to your ideas,suggestions & Comments (though due to the constant use and sheer number of 137s & S Battens in question, Plus budget restraints, replacement lanterns are not an option).

 

Thanks

 

Lxtechman

[Don Allen]

A lot of countries has banned the general lighting service bulb (GLS) which is what the 200W Patt137 es lamp is classed as.

 

I enquired around Australia just before Christmas 2009 about the 200W GLS lamps and could only find a few specialist suppliers with the 150W es GLS lamps in stock. They had not stocked the 200W for years.

 

However there is a new substitute:

Philips have a halogen capsule lamp, the ecoClassic (how I hate their on line catalogue) could not find specs but a 42w Pholips has same specs as 42W osram.

Osram Halogen Classic have a halogen capsule lamp, see page 5 of the link for a 105W es that has a light output of 1900 lumen and is the replacement for a 150W GLS lamp.

 

There are other generic halogen capsule lamps such as Coles and Woolworths, but when you look at the lumens, it is worth paying the extra few cents for the Philips or Osram as teh all draw the same power.

 

A quick look for GLS Incandescent fiures are 150W GLS 2180 Lumens, 200W GLS 3050 Lumens, 500W GLS 8400 Lumens

 

Someome else may have a closer replacement. Hope that helps a bit.

 

While looking for lamp specs I came across several UK sites selling 200W GLS lamps so doo a Google.

[sguy42]

A lot of countries has banned the general lighting service bulb (GLS) which is what the 200W Patt137 es lamp is classed as.

 

I enquired around Australia just before Christmas 2009 about the 200W GLS lamps and could only find a few specialist suppliers with the 150W es GLS lamps in stock. They had not stocked the 200W for years.

 

However there is a new substitute:

Philips have a halogen capsule lamp, the ecoClassic (how I hate their on line catalogue) could not find specs but a 42w Pholips has same specs as 42W osram.

Osram Halogen Classic have a halogen capsule lamp, see page 5 of the link for a 105W es that has a light output of 1900 lumen and is the replacement for a 150W GLS lamp.

 

There are other generic halogen capsule lamps such as Coles and Woolworths, but when you look at the lumens, it is worth paying the extra few cents for the Philips or Osram as teh all draw the same power.

 

A quick look for GLS Incandescent fiures are 150W GLS 2180 Lumens, 200W GLS 3050 Lumens, 500W GLS 8400 Lumens

 

Someome else may have a closer replacement. Hope that helps a bit.

 

While looking for lamp specs I came across several UK sites selling 200W GLS lamps so doo a Google.

 

 

I'm sure you're aware that the original 200W lamps for P137 etc were the long stem variety. Many of the replacement lamps are only the standard shape bulbs. This put the filament in the wrong place for the reflector.

 

One solution is to use a ES /BC adapter and then use BC lamps (assuming your fittings are ES). With the ones I found this put the filament back in the correct position. Be aware though some of these adapters are only rated at 60W!

 

Shane

[dmxtothemax]

In australia only lamps of less than 150w gls have been clasified as prohibited import, that means that 200 and 300w lamps are still legal, how ever due to ignorance I think that even 200 and 300w lamps will be hard to find.

but if you order them thru a major lamp supplier they should be available.

failing that try a 48w compact floro, they have a light output equal to a 250w incandesant lamp.

they are available at major hardwares like bunnings.

I dont know if they dim thou.

[csg]

dont use compact floro lamps, although some are dimmable, they have a relatively poor spectrum output compared with an incandecent lamp which may produce odd effects when using colour filters

[church]

dont use compact floro lamps, although some are dimmable, they have a relatively poor spectrum output compared with an incandecent lamp which may produce odd effects when using colour filters

 

In the 70s always used PAR 38 floods in them as they give out more light than the GLS lamp. Of course you used to be able to easily buy 200W and 150W PAR38 lamps and these are becoming harder to find. After I moved to Canada I found it easier to find 250W PAR38s than the150W. The S Battens were always rated at 150W per compartment instead of the 200W for the Patt 137 if I remember correctly. I would see if you can order the 150W PAR 38s.

[adam2]

Dimmable CFLs are available, but not AFAIK in wattages suitable to replace 200 watt GLS.

Osram produce a 150 watt mains voltage halogen that gives a similar light to 200 watt GLS.

 

As posted by others, the mains halogen lamps are shorter than 200 watt GLS, and therefore place the filament in a non optimal position.

It was suggested that BC lamps could be used in ES holders by use of an adaptor, since this extends the lamp length.

As pointed out, these adaptors are normaly rated at only 60 watts.

I suspect that this is to avoid heat from the lamp overheating the adaptor, when used cap up as is common d0m3esticly. I would consider useing such adators for 150 or even 200 watt lamps, provided that the lampholder is below the lamp, and therefore not subjected to rising hot air from the lamp.

[lxtechman]

Dimmable CFLs are available, but not AFAIK in wattages suitable to replace 200 watt GLS.

Osram produce a 150 watt mains voltage halogen that gives a similar light to 200 watt GLS.

 

As posted by others, the mains halogen lamps are shorter than 200 watt GLS, and therefore place the filament in a non optimal position.

It was suggested that BC lamps could be used in ES holders by use of an adaptor, since this extends the lamp length.

As pointed out, these adaptors are normaly rated at only 60 watts.

I suspect that this is to avoid heat from the lamp overheating the adaptor, when used cap up as is common d0m3esticly. I would consider useing such adators for 150 or even 200 watt lamps, provided that the lampholder is below the lamp, and therefore not subjected to rising hot air from the lamp.

 

 

Intresting suggestions. Keep them coming. does anybody know of a stash of 200w es lamps just out of intrest.

 

Cheers

Lxtechman

[dmxtothemax]

does anybody know of a stash of 200w es lamps just out of intrest.

 

The 200w gls lamps are still available in Australia, if they are ordered in from the larger lighting suppliers. They are not available at local level!

you might have to buy a carton, 20 lamps to a carton, but at only $3.66 each thats not too bad.

Haymans electrical contacted there suppliers and got me this price.

So they are available if you look in the right place!

[lxtechman]

Cheeers will get onto a few people round here and have an ask.

TTFN

[lithiumav2010]

Hi Forum,

 

I don't know if I can be of any help here? I have a few stock of the 150W if it is of any interest to you ? My link