Blaize110 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 At the moment this is al hypothetical, but if I had THIS setup. (PER SIDE: 4ohm, speakers 450W/1800W RMS/Peak, amp 700W) Firstly, would those speakers be suitable in a 3 way PA system or are they best left on their own? If so, would it be feasable to then add some tops (100W per side - is it worth it at 100W per side?) to the same amp or would you recommend leaving the amp this overpowered due to the peak rating on the speakers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltonguy Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 well it all depends on the speakers I guess. 1800 peak seems high for a 450rms speaker. Also what size is the speaker? does it have a HF horn? if so I doubt using it in a 3way set up would be beneficial. maybe a 2 way with some subs? no doubt someone will correct me on that tho ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaize110 Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 well it all depends on the speakers I guess. 1800 peak seems high for a 450rms speaker. Also what size is the speaker? does it have a HF horn? if so I doubt using it in a 3way set up would be beneficial. maybe a 2 way with some subs? no doubt someone will correct me on that tho ha The "THIS" is a hyperlink that will take you to the speaker specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndenim Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If so, would it be feasable to then add some tops (100W per side - is it worth it at 100W per side?) to the same amp or would you recommend leaving the amp this overpowered due to the peak rating on the speakers? Not really sure what you are asking here Blaize?I'm not familiar with these cabs, but I would assume you wouldn't require any more MID/HF reinforcement.If you needed a bit more LF, (dependent on the application) I would be inclined to use a separate amp with a pair of subs, with either a crossover or LMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaize110 Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Ok,Thanks. As I said, this is all hyopthetical at the moment as I am yet to buy a PA. I am mainly a lighting guy so only know the basics of PAs and when spending a fair amount of money I like to get people's oppinions and explore all possiblities before I buy something. As people have suggested, I will see what the local shops and hire companies have and see if I can get some demos. The reason I suggested adding tops to the amp was purely because there was the extra power from the amp which made my think about a 3 cab system (A case of "Just because you can, doesnt mean you should"). However, as you suggested, if/when I expand it will probably be with a sub that is active or has its own amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ross Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If you are going to be using the system with subs then it might be worth getting something a little more suited to mid/high duty i.e. something with a 12” driver as opposed to a 15” The merits of this have been talked about before in the blue room most notably with the F12 v F15 debate It all depends on your target audience/market and how much you are willing to spend! Also is hiring an option? There are lots of good hire companies around your/my area so would it be cheaper to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaize110 Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 The merits of this have been talked about before in the blue room most notably with the F12 v F15 debate.It all depends on your target audience/market and how much you are willing to spend!Also is hiring an option? There are lots of good hire companies around your/my area so would it be cheaper to do that? Hmm. If I knew that I would definitely get a sub, I would proabbly get 12" speakers. However im not sure so want something that will work fine on its own in the meantime or if I never get one. Probably mostly mobile DJing. Budget for the moment is £350-500 Hiring, at least to start with, is becoming a more attractive option for a few reasons. * I dont quite have enough money to buy the PA yet * I can listen to a few different systems an see what works best before buying * I dont have to store the speakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMitchell Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Two 15" drivers and it only plays to 121dB...how inefficient is that!Also, weighing in at 36kilos it'll be a bugger to put on a stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodle650 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 you should get this oen instead! :P http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_box_pro_achat_system_2.htm mm tasty!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 you should get this oen instead! :P http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_box_pro_achat_system_2.htmRead the thread! The OP wants advice and hasn't yet saved up enough for the £500 system. The £10,000 system would therefore seem to be an unsuitable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyP1955 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 What type of band? What type of music? What size venues? (Room sizes, not number of people). Are you background music or are you the main attraction? Although speaker specs, especially maximum output specs, are often figments of a marketing person's imagination, the 121dB max output spec on this speaker is exceptionally low for a 450W RMS speaker, meaning that it must be terribly inefficient by comparison to most boxes. This is a red flag. As is a dual 15 - a 12 and a sub would sound better and have better lows. Perhaps you can rent gear or hire out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndenim Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I also doubt these would be stick mountable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothingatall666 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I would advice against hiring for the OP's situation. ( small local disco's) unless you charge a silly price then IMO it just wouldn't be very healthy financially to hire. As people have suggested, I will see what the local shops and hire companies have and see if I can get some demos. its doubtful anyone will stock the Tbox's Blaize110, your website says you have Behringer B215A 400W Active Loudspeaker Pair120W Active Stage Monitor pair800W Passive System500W Passive System can you not (for now at least) use one of these systems and save your money for something a bit more worthwhile (more efficient/branded)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I aggree with the guy above. No one will stock in Tbone stuff. Therefore no one would hire one. to be blunt, they are a bad buy. a venue I used to work at stupidly brought them before I had anytime to stop them. they blew about 200 times, they didnt sound good at all. Somewhere down the line they will let you down. But maybe for djs they might be adaquate with some subs. but youl have to be careful driving them. Is it not best waiting until you have more money to buy some? xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Did they really blow about 200 times? Or are you exaggerating the point just a little? Edit; to the OP : I'd be cautious about accepting advice from an 18 year old who claims to have been "working in the industry" since he was 10 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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