ringo Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I recently stood in for a a local company to tech their radio and boundary mics. for a show and I was amazed at the level I could achieve with their PA system on the boundary mics compared to my PA system. I found out that they were using two Tannoy Power VQ60 Live speakers. These weighed in at around 80kg each and cost about £4k each, but did an outstanding job. They only had a 60 degree dispersion so may not be suitable for a very wide theatre, however the headroom on the boundaries was amazing compared to my normal PA, where I just start to get a level then feedback creeps in. I use three Audio Technica rifle mics model AT897's, and I would like to purchase two active speakers that will go someway towards the getting a decent amount of headroom before feedback. Budget is around £2k mark for the lot. and I would like them to not be too heavy, say 30kg max Anyone got any suggestions? I heard the RCF and Tannoy powerV12hp's are very good speakers, but I am specifically looking for recommendations for boundary mic'ing. thanks in advance.regards.Ralph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 You do not state what your existing speakers (and control) are, but I would suggest your extra gain before feedback was probably due to a) level frequency response and smooth off axis behaviour of the Tannoys plus b) the fact that boundary mics often work much better than rifle mics in this application. There have been several discussions on the various usuable boundary mics on Blue Room, but it would be in your interest to try / hire some good examples before parting with a large wad of cash for your speaker upgrade. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Second Simon's comments. When you're working with distant microphones of all kinds, then small (or large) humps and bumps in loudspeaker frequency response do make big differences that despite complex graphic treatment and all sorts of control tweaks, still fight you. I've had good results from all sorts of Tannoys through the years, but their dual concentric drivers do work for me - although some people don't like the 'sound'. With properly designed loudspeakers, ample volume from stage edge mics and performer worn mics isn't too difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkPAman Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Hi Ralph! Just to save you the trouble, here's a link to the speakers I just showed you! RCF TT08AIf you want to have a proper listen just let me know. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringo Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 You do not state what your existing speakers (and control) are, but I would suggest your extra gain before feedback was probably due to a) level frequency response and smooth off axis behaviour of the Tannoys plus b) the fact that boundary mics often work much better than rifle mics in this application. There have been several discussions on the various usuable boundary mics on Blue Room, but it would be in your interest to try / hire some good examples before parting with a large wad of cash for your speaker upgrade. SimonThanks Simon, sorry, I should have added that I normally use 4 EV SX300's when using my PA in a hall or small theatre, I have a PROEL desk MS20USB and a CROWN XTI 2000w Amp. I use a Behringer ultracurve pro and normally use the Parametric EQ to make cuts when ringing out the room. When I heard the Tannoys, they were using 3 rifle mics AT815r's. not boundary mics. When I get a bit more time I'll trawl through the forum re boundary mics. Thanks for your response. A concurrent post has been automatically merged from this point on. Hi Ralph! Just to save you the trouble, here's a link to the speakers I just showed you! RCF TT08AIf you want to have a proper listen just let me know. Mark Cheers Mark, I'll probably take you up on your offer of a demo shortly, regards.Ralph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyP1955 Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 When using mics such as boundaries, headset omnis, or lavaliers, loudspeakers with pattern control are your best friend. Danley and Funktion One are the best I'm aware of for pattern control. Danley have models that are suited for your purposes (except the 100). http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringo Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 When using mics such as boundaries, headset omnis, or lavaliers, loudspeakers with pattern control are your best friend. Danley and Funktion One are the best I'm aware of for pattern control. Danley have models that are suited for your purposes (except the 100). http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/Thanks, will check these out.regards......Ralph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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