jonathankoch Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hi, Does anyone know whether there is a firewire card for a 32ch LS9 that will enable me to record individual channels from a live set digitally to Cubase, whithout using analog outs to a seperate firewire enabled desk? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greensound Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Nope. Your best bet rather then analogue would probably be MY16AT adat card(s) to an ADAT soundcard such as RME Hammerfall. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHoward Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I have the above setup with an M-Audio ProFire Lightbridge - ADAT ins and outs from the desk, via the LightBridge into a Mac Mini. Currently we hire MY16ATs but I am looking to buy some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulevans Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 A quick look at the Yamaha website will tell you if the Mlan firewire card is compatible with the LS9. Alternatively, from next month you can use the new DANTE MY card and record straight to a computer via its network port and the DVS software. Each card will give you 16 tracks, if you're using more than one card you will require a decent network switch. Check out the Audinate website for other details. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greensound Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 A quick look at the Yamaha website will tell you if the Mlan firewire card is compatible with the LS9. Alternatively, from next month you can use the new DANTE MY card and record straight to a computer via its network port and the DVS software. Each card will give you 16 tracks, if you're using more than one card you will require a decent network switch. Check out the Audinate website for other details. Paul I stand corrected! There's your answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Some parts of the Yamaha site list the MY16-Mlan card as "discontinued" while it is still discussed in other places. I know of one person who tried to buy one recently and got the "discontinued" response while somebody else was able to get one with no mention of problems. I'd certainly check before investing in one. I should say that I've also heard of some people having serious driver issues--though I stress that I have no personal knowledge. The Dante card sounds interesting indeed but it was too late for me. I also have the MY16AT-Profire Lightbridge solution and it works well for me. Pay attention to the "only use the TI chipset for firewire" recommendation though. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathankoch Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share Posted August 14, 2009 Thanks chaps, The DANTE MY cards certainly have appeal. It is a tad annoying that on a cheap anlog Mackie Onyx mixer, the Firewire option card is available and completely-ish hassle free. Thanks for the advice ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyP1955 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 The mLan card will indeed work according to a few folks on ProSoundWeb. I agree that the Dante card is very interesting (no PC card required - it uses the Ethernet card you already have). There are a few others that will work, but the PC cards are hellishly expensive. Optical would be my last choice, owing to the audio quality (that it is the most prevalent does not mean it is superior - to anything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Optical would be my last choice, owing to the audio quality (that it is the most prevalent does not mean it is superior - to anything). Could you elaborate on why an optical digital transfer is of lower quality than other digital transfer methods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesperrett Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Optical would be my last choice, owing to the audio quality (that it is the most prevalent does not mean it is superior - to anything). Optical has the advantage of built-in electrical isolation which could be a major advantage given the ground noise problems of many modern computers. The only theoretical drawback of ADAT connections is that they are limited to 48kHz sample rate for 8 channels so you halve your channel count if you want to work at 88.2/96 KHz. Cheers James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ross Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I must admit I was a little taken aback by that statement. In my mind digital transfer is digital transfer, it either happens or does not in fact I remember once hearing about a company sending AES over wet string. The only difference would be in the quality of the AD/DA But make sure you use gold plated ADAT connectors so those 1’s and 0’s get there at full strength…….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueShift Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Digital transfer is digital transfer regardless of the transfer medium when it comes to quality. The LS9 only operates at 48kHz so you have no worries about having to sacrifice channel count at higher sample rates. Dont confuse professional ADAT optical medium with consumer level SP/DIF systems which depending on setup may have lower sample or bitrates leading to lesser quality. ADAT out of your LS9 will lose no quality compared to the digital signal paths within the desk.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervaka Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Optical has the advantage of built-in electrical isolation which could be a major advantage given the ground noise problems of many modern computers. this point still stands though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerr Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Digital transfer is digital transfer regardless of the transfer medium when it comes to quality. The LS9 only operates at 48kHz so you have no worries about having to sacrifice channel count at higher sample rates. Dont confuse professional ADAT optical medium with consumer level SP/DIF systems which depending on setup may have lower sample or bitrates leading to lesser quality. ADAT out of your LS9 will lose no quality compared to the digital signal paths within the desk.... This is not necessarily true. Not only is the 2 channels SPDIF optical as good as ADAT, because of its lower bandwidth it is usable over longer distances. ADAT is not a good source of sync, and in complex systems it is very hard to keep everything sync'd up over ADAT. AES is a much more reliable medium in complex systems. Balanced AES3 is also not constrained by the 15'-20' limit of ADAT. While I use ADAT connections to Yamaha consoles regularly in situations where it is appropriate, or the only option, I would prefer AES in almost every case. Optical has the advantage of built-in electrical isolation which could be a major advantage given the ground noise problems of many modern computers. this point still stands though. Using optical does isolate the computer, and where the computer has a ground issue this may be important, however, any other electrical issues are unlikely to be solved since the short distance ADAT fiber can be used over means it is fairly easy to keep other ground paths to a minimum. Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervaka Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 we aren't talking about a difference in ground potential here, we're talking about dirty ground from the PC into the A/D converter's power supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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