Beacon Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 HI, just a quick question. Im doing a business studies project to start a mock company, my choice is a theatrical company. I have cast information, but I need to know the amount of crew that are needed for a Big westend show, and a rough estimate of what they get paid. I know the obvous ones like stage manager, lighting desk opperator etc I was just woundering if anyone can help and list them all down. Many thanks!j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam.henderson Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I will start you off; Production Manager PA to Production ManagerArtistic DirectorPA to Artistic DirectorDirectorAssistant DirectorTechnical ManagerPA to TMStage Manager Resident Stage ManagerDeputy Stage Manager3x Assistant Stage ManagersDesignerProps MasterCostume Designerx15-30 DressersLighting DesignerChief LXDeputy LXLighting Op.Sound DesignerSound Op.PyrotechnicianFront of House Manager20x Ushers Stage Door man AdminsitratorAccounts Dept. Lots and Lots more as well Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I'll add (assuming a musical) Sound 2sound 3 a band (and md and poss ass)flymenmaster carpentermerchandiserskiosk staffphotographerlime opswig tech (can't remember posh title)fireman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 MarketingStars PA'sChoreographerFight Co-ordinatorTech Stage Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Before we go overboard with listing of job titles, chaps, let's establish exactly what Beacon means by "crew" ... Are we talking solely about technical staff to run the show (stage management, LX, sound, stage staff, wardrobe/wigs)? Or are you including the creative staff and others who are only involved up until the first night (designers, production LX, production chippies, etc.)? Are you including production company staff who, generally, work for the producers and are involved with the company as a whole, rather than the show in particular (marketing, finance, etc.)? What about staff who work for the venue rather than the production (box office, catering, FOH, etc.)? Are you including the acting company, or the orchestra? Given the original wording of your question (i.e. "crew") I'd suspect that you'd only be looking for the first of the many options above. If that's not the case, please do clarify exactly which aspects of the staffing of a production/venue you're interested in, and our answers can be tailored more towards what you're looking for, rather than just being a huge list of job titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beacon Posted June 22, 2004 Author Share Posted June 22, 2004 Both would be usefull, but it would be easy if it was indercated what jobs are while the show runs and ones pre opening night. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Both would be usefull, but it would be easy if it was indercated what jobs are while the show runs and ones pre opening night. So just to confirm - you're only looking for jobs/positions which are directly related to the technical/backstage production, and you're not interested in 'back room' (e.g. office) staff, FOH staff, acting company or musicians? Breaking it down by department .... Stage ManagementCompany managerStage managerDSMASM x 2 or 3 Stage staffTechnical stage managerAutomation operatorFlyman (possibly several)Stage crew or Wingmen (probably several, unless there's lots of automation) ElectricsChief LXDeupty ChiefChargehandA couple of electrics daymen who do the maintenanceLime ops (at least a couple, possibly more)Stage electricians (possibly two or three) SoundNo.1 sound (usually mixes the show)No.2 soundNo.3 sound CostumeWardrobe master/mistressWig master/mistressDressers x several Production period onlyProduction managerLighting, set and costume designersProduction electriciansLighting programmerProduction chippiesProduction sound Have I missed anyone out? (I've deliberately not included a technical manager - gruops of West End theatres - e.g. the RUG venues along Shaftesbury Avenue - often have one tech manager covering several venues, so they're not really attached to one show in particular.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiLL Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 translations: Lime ops= FollowSpot Operaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Don't forget that some of the above will work for the theatre and others will work for the production company. Even the smallest theatres have, at the very least, a Resident Stage Manager and Chief LX. Most have more. Also, the sound crew may work for the sound hire company (e.g. Autograph) rather than either of the above. Also, extra help for get-in and get-out may come from crewing companies. It all gets very involved! P.S. The eaiest way to find out who works on the show and for whom they work is to get a few programmes for West End Shows and look at the lists at the back. Getting anyone to tell you how much they earn could be a lot harder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Russell Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Have I missed anyone out? Sound Designer anyone????Also, the sound crew may work for the sound hire company (e.g. Autograph) rather than either of the above. Most of the time the sound crew on a show are not provided by the rental company, the sound designer will want to pick the crew that are going to run the show once he leaves, rather than have some one they don't know. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Just realised, no-one's yet addressed the portion of your question relating to rates of pay. Maybe your best bet would be to seek out a copy of the BECTU/SOLT agreement, which should give you some idea of the agreed minimum rates for the common performance staff grades. There doesn't appear to be a link to it on the BECTU website (all that you can get to from there is the BECTU/TMA agreement, which covers theatres outside of London), but I guess if you call them they might be able to send you a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Also, the sound crew may work for the sound hire company (e.g. Autograph) rather than either of the above.Most of the time the sound crew on a show are not provided by the rental company, the sound designer will want to pick the crew that are going to run the show once he leaves, rather than have some one they don't know. PeterIn my defence: a) I said "may" not "will" b) If the sound designer works for, or runs, a rental company (e.g. Andrew Bruce & Autograph) then chances are he's going to pick his own engineers for the show. I accept that often they're not related, but I just wanted to point out how many other comanies may be involved. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erroneousblack Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 If it's any help the running staff of Starlight Express was as follows: Stage Management Company ManagerStage ManagerDSM X 2ASM X 3 (Including Skate Technician) Stage Crew Master CarpenterDeputy Master CarpenterBridge Operator(All three responsible for Automation)Show Crew X 5 Electrics Chief LXDeputy Chief LXChargehand LXDayman LXFollow Spots X 6Stage LX Sound Head of SoundDeputyDayman Wardrobe Wardrobe MistressWigs masterDeputy Wardrobe Mistress X 2Deputy Wigs MistressWardrobe Assistants X 3Dressers X 10 Lift Operator! Also 4 building staff who took care of building maintenance and electrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Not a west end show, but the Birmingham Royal Ballet production of The Nutcracker has a crew of 50 including 13 flymen (Not a recent pantomime as stated in the latest issue of sightline - I was on the same tour of the Birmingham Hippodrome) Regards Ellis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benweblight Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 technical supervisor? sometimes you will get a sepereate moving light operator/programmer assistant/deputy LD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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