RoyS Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hi All, I guess the tiles say it all really. Many thanks. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_s Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hi All, I guess the tiles say it all really. Many thanks. Roy we had training from Instant Training Ltd, Newport, Shropshire 01952 815 750. course was "Safe Use and Inspection of Tallescope", and it came as part of the deal when we bought a new 'scope about 3 years ago. I realise they aren't in Hampshire, but they were happy enough to travel from shropshire to London, so probably not an obstacle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikienorth Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Aluminium Access Products 01942 514318 Manufacturers and distributors of Tallescopes. They bought the rights from Instant a year or two ago. Based in Wigan, but travel nationwide to inspect, service and maintain tallescopes in many many theatres. Bob or Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyS Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 Bob or Frank at Aluminium Access Products are super chaps but don't provide training, certified or otherwise ... Pity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokm Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Based in Wigan, but travel nationwide to inspect, service and maintain tallescopes in many many theatres.Dare I say it, are they teaching the manufacturers stated way of use or safe use of them in the way that theatres use them? Great if its the latter, but if its the former, would doing a training course in the correct use as stated by manufacturers and then you going off and using them in the way we do/the theatre industry does, make the whole training course a bit of a pointless exercise? Though on a different tack, the inspection/deciding if a scopes safe to use, would still be relevant and useful. But still... T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisquee Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Stage Electrics do a Working at Height training course, which includes tallescopes.See their website for more details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_s Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 It wouldn't be pointless, but it wouldn't be of much use in a court case. the current "official" view is that tallescopes should ONLY be used in the way the manufacturers instruct, to avoid potential legal consequences.therefore training as recommended by the manufacturer will carry some weight. Training in "the way we all use it" will be contrary to the HSE's current view. As I understand it, the HSE will not accept the results of the ABTT work until verified by their own investigations. So although the ABTT say "you may consider (the ABTT recommendations) to be a safe system of work and be a suitable defense in a court case" (I'm paraphrasing Mark White's letter of a few months ago) the unwritten implication is "we (the ABTT) couldn't possibly comment..." Although they can work to prove the case for their own theory of tallescope safety, they can't currently recommend a general defiance of the HSE. All very frustrating given the scope's generally respectable safety record. (in Spring 2008, the HSE was apparently aware of 6 accidents. Don't know the timescale, it wasn't clear in the article I read - 6 in 6 months would be very bad, 6 ever would be less bad). Although of course any accident involving a scope is unlikely to be minor. However I take your point that unless the manufacturers revise their instructions for use, official training is not going to include practices that have been historically followed in a relatively safe way in theatres for over 30 years. Anyway, that's my understanding of the situation as it stands, maybe someone else can clarify, contradict or generally enlighten? by the by, the training course I suggested in my earlier post was arranged through the guys at Aluminium Access - as I mentioned, it was part of the package when we had our old scope refurbished and bought a new one for the second space; we were offered a choice of training or discount. We took the view that some training was better than none, and that being able to assess the physical condition of the equipment and put it together correctly was of high importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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