Ynot Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 As to the Duffy spot issue, johnhuson is correct, it was a very hard pickup to do as the throw was long and the stage was washed out with white. Its much more difficult when things are done for TV as they are much brighter for the camera to pickup.Hmmm... I think I'm going to make another challenge here.Whether it's hard or not, I would have (personally) expected a certain level of professionalism on what is supposed to be a top-notch event - long throw follow spotting isn't something that's rare, to be perfectly honest - it's done all the time in arena gigs all over the country. I can't profess to have seen a lot recently, but those I have watched seem to cope quite well with the distances involved.Looking again at the video (linked way above) it wasn't so much wandering when she was moving about as bobbing up & down when she was standing still.With even the most basic of targetting systems on the spots I'd have thought it reasonable to expect at this level of production to have a spot op who could at least keep a steady hand?
jim_bob Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 Mistakes happen, maybe there shouldn't but we all make mistakes. Yes there was a very high level of professionalism on the brit awards, and one person made a mistake which doesn't mean that the level of professionalism has been lowered in anyway. I'm not the sort of person to criticize things because I respect other peoples work and the amount of effort which goes into things weather they made a mistake or not. I sometimes get fed up of reading people's comment's about wanting to know why it happened, and I don't know what they are expecting to hear? There was alot of effort which got put into the brits, and there was some of the best people on it as well which I had the pleasure of working with.
Stee_cri1 Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 Good shout jim bob I agree, things do go wrong and other than that I thought it wasnt such a bad show, well the bit I have seen. As for coldplay they sang live. I know that wiggers had to hire kit in as they wanted exactly the same spec as they have got over in japan at the minute. Which lighting company was used jim bob?
Ynot Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 Don't get me wrong - I'm sort of fence sitting to be honest. I'm well aware that mistakes happen, even in the most professional of environments. That's human nature after all. ("To err is...." etc). But it's one thing to say "It's hard to do x", but quite another to try to excuse an error that really did look as though it may easily have been avoided. Whilst I've not spotted over arena distances, I have spotted various venues on and off over my years, so I'm quite aware of the difficulties involved in doing so. (Don't make the mistake of assuming I'm just a inexperienced am-drammer...). My point is that this sort of mistake, or slip up or whatever is something that's quite obvious to punters (I've heard 2 other non-tech friends comment about the same thing in the last day or so) and I'd say is something that could and should have been avoided - in theory. OK, if the spot op was distracted, then that's one excuse (so why was there the opportunity for distraction one might argue). But for that amount of bounce on a show like this one to go unchallenged would perhaps be a mistake. I'm not out to hang the guy/gal in public - just furthering the topic.
jim_bob Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 The mistake was noticed straight away by the LD who tried to resolve it as best as possible and who wasn't best pleased as I wouldn't be as well, and to be honest I'm not excusing the mistake, it shouldn't have happened but as I said before, mistakes do happen and sadly it was on the money shot. But hey, if things like that don't happen, then we can't learn from our mistakes. I'm sure people took away with them some valuable experience for it not to happen again in the future, myself included. Life is all about learning, especially from our mistakes, if we didn't make any then life would be very boring and things wouldn't improve. Its done now, and nothing can be done about it, I like to think about things as a whole, and for me, the brits was a very complex technical show which was pulled off by some amazing people within our industry. All the lighting was provided by PRG and video by XL. All the usual suspects...
harrybow Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 At the end of the day the spot op has made a mistake and I am sure he/her is aware of what they have done and aint to happy about it. I am sure we have all worked on gigs where things have gone wrong and you just have to get on with the job in hand and try to resolve the problem the best you can and dont panic about it. I am not a lampy but I no what it feels like when you realise you have mucked up and you got the LD or cheif audio tech on your case, you just accept it and move on its that simplle.
LampieManPro Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 yeah mistakes happen! only the people in the know would have noticed :o to be honest I was more naffed off at the bad presenting, and crap humor!! Oh and from what I can gather there was a lot more miming going on than just Take That!! Petshop boys should go west!! what a load of cack!! both mimed and are very lucky guys!! kings of leon rock who are Elbow??? :P
paul_byrnelx Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 The mistake was noticed straight away by the LD who tried to resolve it as best as possible and who wasn't best pleased as I wouldn't be as well, and to be honest I'm not excusing the mistake, it shouldn't have happened but as I said before, mistakes do happen and sadly it was on the money shot. But hey, if things like that don't happen, then we can't learn from our mistakes. I'm sure people took away with them some valuable experience for it not to happen again in the future, myself included. Life is all about learning, especially from our mistakes, if we didn't make any then life would be very boring and things wouldn't improve. Its done now, and nothing can be done about it, I like to think about things as a whole, and for me, the brits was a very complex technical show which was pulled off by some amazing people within our industry. All the lighting was provided by PRG and video by XL. All the usual suspects... I have read this thread from the begining and agree fully with jim_bob completely, I've worked in the industry for over 8 years now from west end to Tv to Cruise ships through to live events and we all do make mistakes and I have seen and made loads everyone does....... even on events as the Brits mistakes are made all the time regardless of weather we know about them or not ! I respect anyone who even has the experience and knowledge of working on such events.
harrybow Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Who are Elbow??? They are an amazing band making really good music how do yo not know who they are. Secondly does anyone know who supplied audio, was that also PRG?
sparkies Posted February 23, 2009 Author Posted February 23, 2009 Oops... what have I started, I only meant to ask a question, not spark a debate on professionalism :)
andy_s Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Oops... what have I started, I only meant to ask a question, not spark a debate on professionalism :)welcome to the blue room
Alec Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Take That miming; Coldplay miming everything but the vocals Yes, it was shameful for Take That to have been miming - they can do better than that. As for Coldplay, well, this was the same as their performance on the Christmas Top Of The Pops (I was there, under Chris Martin's nose, much to the amusement of my kids watching on Christmas day). Whilst Coldplay are more than capable of playing this live, the setup they used, with the kettle-drums and bell and minimal kit around make for a strong visual statement that would have been well diluted if they'd gone for fully live. Sorry if I just sounded like a brand manager... And as for being less slick than the Grammys - isn't that half the appeal of the Brits? That you never quite know what unforgettable moment will occur (Jarvis & Jackson) And that there are ordinary people in the audience, not just media puppies.
andy_s Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 what unforgettable moment will occur (Jarvis & Jackson)... remind me - what exactly happened????
oli Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 what unforgettable moment will occur (Jarvis & Jackson)... remind me - what exactly happened???? Jarvis Cocker ran on stage during earth song and started making a nuisance of himeslef. Youtube
onetech09 Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 Hi guys, I'm a FollowSpot operator in Liverpool and in 2007 we had the Royal Variety Performance. Sometimes there may be situations where people dont know the full story. We had a difficult time with our spots as there were 3 spots at the rear of the circle on a platform no longer than 1.5 metres. Very hot and very difficult to move the spots at certain times, maybe that was the case at the brits.
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