mksound Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 Hey all,I'm currently running a band rig consisting of 8 Dynacord F8 bins and 4 Dynacord F150 mid/high tops all powered by 3 Dynacord LX 2200 amps and the Dynacord DSP 244. the bins are rated at 500w RMS each and the tops at 400w RMS. I'm extermely happy with it but I've been offered the possability of providing sound for some fairly big Irish acts in a local venue over the next few months and I'm going to have to deal with their engineers and tech specs. Just wondering what your views are on my current set up or what might be the best route to go for upgrading if the need arose?Thanks in advance
Charlie Jeal Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 Kevin, A little more information might be handy first such as: 1: How big is the room. 2: When you say Irish are we talking nationality or style? 3: what about the rest of rig? FOH setup, monitor- are you running them from FOH some of these acts may require more mixes than you have available and/or a monitor engineer on stage. Charlie
tolley1466 Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 Considering it may only be a few gigs if you did need to upgrade, then how about hiring something to add on?Will there be a need to upgrade? I mean, that looks like a fairly punchy system for a local venue. How big is the venue?
fatfrog Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 To Be Honest I'd say you'll probably be reasonably ok with that setup provided the room isn't too big. Alot of technical riders from "irish bands" are quite tolerant as regards the FOH system provided it meets their technical requirements regarding SPL at mix position & frequency response. Have a look at most of the venue specs around ireland, you'll find that the equipment varies quite alot from venue to venue - there is a good bit of turbo & funktion one but you'll definitely find dynacord and ev floating around in there too. I'd be way more concerned about your outboard gear & mixing desk etc, make sure that this is as industry standard as possible.
lostinvegas Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 In my experience the engineer will be most interested in the mixer and outboard as long as the rooms are not really big you should be fine. I would always send the engineer your spec in advance most engineers biggest fear is the unknown so if they have all the info in advance you should be fine. Chris
mksound Posted February 19, 2009 Author Posted February 19, 2009 At the minute I've a 32 ch Allen and Heath GL 2800 with the possability of hiring a 40 ch ML3000 if more channels are required and my outboard consists of 2 x Alesis Midiverb 4, 3 2x31and 1 2x15 band DBX graphics, a 4 ch DBX compressor and 3 x 2ch TC ELectronic compressor/gates. Not completely sure of the dimensions of the venue it's a nightclub with a raised seating area at one end of the dancefloor that will be the stage for the gigs. It's about 1.2m off the floor and the and the dance floor I suppose is 30m x 10m with a walkway round it and a bar at the other end. I would want FOH position to be at the opposite end of the dance floor centre position preferably raised to keep the gear out of harms way and give a better view of the stage. The tops will have good clearance as when they're stacked on the bins they stand aprox 1.8m high so with them set up on either side of the stage they'll be roughly 3m above floor level. Thats all the info I have for now and thanks for the replies
fatfrog Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 Ok, You're not really too badly off there but your outboard is a little too constraining regarding FX in my opinion. If I were in your position I'd be swapping out one midiverb for a Yamaha SPX90 or similar...Maybe even a TC-M-ONE:XL EQ wise, Maybe a BSS Opal or a Klark Teknik DN360/370 if you can stretch to it for the FOH mix - You're DBX's are more than acceptable for monitor duties in my opinion. Hope this helps, Alan
RustyBrooks Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 . I would want FOH position to be at the opposite end of the dance floor centre position preferably raised to keep the gear out of harms way and give a better view of the stage. MK, this is not a good idea, you are better off with a decent space between you and the barrier. The downside of raising your mix position on a riser is that it really affects how you percieve the sound compared to the rest of the room. Riisers vibrate to sub energy, so it feels like you have more, and it means your head is poking out the top of the crowd, also skewing you high mid perception.... stick it on the floor and use plastic sheeting, or indeed a massive stick with nails in, to protect your gear.
RustyBrooks Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 . I would want FOH position to be at the opposite end of the dance floor centre position preferably raised to keep the gear out of harms way and give a better view of the stage. MK, this is not a good idea, you are better off with a decent space between you and the barrier. The downside of raising your mix position on a riser is that it really affects how you percieve the sound compared to the rest of the room. Riisers vibrate to sub energy, so it feels like you have more, and it means your head is poking out the top of the crowd, also skewing you high mid perception.... stick it on the floor and use plastic sheeting, or indeed a massive stick with nails in, to protect your gear.
fatfrog Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 If your at the back of the room you should be relatively ok anyways, Just get the club to put a bouncer with you at all times, so they can do the keeping people way bit and you can do the mixing/whatever... If you're very concerned have you seen this stuff Click... Alan
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