STU007280 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I would recommend the SGM 250 II completes, as I find them to be extrememly reliable, can do what I want them to do, and thats what I was trained on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Not a common one? How do they compare with more typical fixtures like the current Mac 250s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokm Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I would recommend the SGM 250 II completesWere they what you had at your college? How often were they used? Were they ever de-rigged, put in they're cases and stuck on a truck? Did you have any other ML's in the rig to compare them with? How easy are they to service? Whats the range of colours and gobos like in them, suitable for theatrical use? Sorry for all the questions, nothing personal, but often students come on here and recommend something they've only used once or never in anger and have just seen at PLASA or had a demo/basic training on. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOwen Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I would recommend the SGM 250 II completesWere they what you had at your college? How often were they used? Were they ever de-rigged, put in they're cases and stuck on a truck? Did you have any other ML's in the rig to compare them with? How easy are they to service? Whats the range of colours and gobos like in them, suitable for theatrical use? Sorry for all the questions, nothing personal, but often students come on here and recommend something they've only used once or never in anger and have just seen at PLASA or had a demo/basic training on. T Ha! When you were giving us a bit of jip about the tourability of our products last year could you answer those questions about our products? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STU007280 Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 I would recommend the SGM 250 II completesWere they what you had at your college? How often were they used? Were they ever de-rigged, put in they're cases and stuck on a truck? Did you have any other ML's in the rig to compare them with? How easy are they to service? Whats the range of colours and gobos like in them, suitable for theatrical use? Sorry for all the questions, nothing personal, but often students come on here and recommend something they've only used once or never in anger and have just seen at PLASA or had a demo/basic training on. T Ha! When you were giving us a bit of jip about the tourability of our products last year could you answer those questions about our products? I have never used them at college as my college in brand new and we use studios so they arent really suitable.I recommend them because I use them at work.I work at a Theatrical lighting company who do hires, sales etc and they are used almost everyday.So they are always in flight cases and chucked into the van/trucks and sometimes planes! hahI have never used an ML.Im afraid I dont know about servicing as I dont deal with that.They have 3 wheels in them.1 has 8 custom gobos.1 has 8 different colours.and the other has effect gobos.They are very suitable for theatrical use, I see them being used, I use them if im doing a gig for work. I know im a student but I also work! haha J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oli Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I have never used them at college as my college in brand new and we use studios so they arent really suitable.I recommend them because I use them at work.I work at a Theatrical lighting company who do hires, sales etc and they are used almost everyday.So they are always in flight cases and chucked into the van/trucks and sometimes planes! hahI have never used an ML.Im afraid I dont know about servicing as I dont deal with that.They have 3 wheels in them.1 has 8 custom gobos.1 has 8 different colours.and the other has effect gobos.They are very suitable for theatrical use, I see them being used, I use them if im doing a gig for work. I know im a student but I also work! haha J James which company in Edinburgh has these particular lights as I am unaware of any? also im fairly sure tokm's question about ML's means moving lights and not a specfic brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I have never used them at college as my college in brand new and we use studios so they arent really suitable.I recommend them because I use them at work.I work at a Theatrical lighting company who do hires, sales etc and they are used almost everyday.So they are always in flight cases and chucked into the van/trucks and sometimes planes! hahI have never used an ML.Im afraid I dont know about servicing as I dont deal with that.<snip>They are very suitable for theatrical use, I see them being used, I use them if im doing a gig for work. I know im a student but I also work! hahaSorry, J, but the problem here is that you are apparently recommending a specific model of moving light simply because you chuck them, in flight cases, on and off trucks...That is so far from a sensible and qualified recommendation that I had to chuckle somewhat!You say yourself (above) that you have NEVER used an ML, so why, pray, do you feel that you are in any way able to make ANY recommendations at ALL?! Again, sorry, but informed opinions from those who've physically rigged, patched, programmed and operated movers are great. Uninformed 3rd-hand comments are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokm Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I know I'm a student but I also work! hahaGood! also I'm fairly sure tokm's question about ML's means moving lightsWell it could be applied to ML's in general, though I was asking those questions for him to answer with his experiences of the SGM brand specifically. The reason for the questions is, if they were just being used in the college and never moving off the bars, its hard to tell what they're durability on the road's like.. And yes, I was just trying to pick out if he was a proper user, which from his answers I'd say he's able to give some sort of indication of how 'good' they are as an ML in general, OK maybe he's not programmed them, but if he's working for a hire co, then he's going to be seeing how often they come back from a job knackered and in need of fixing etc. Anyways.. this whole subject is open to debate till the end of time. Everyone has they're own opinions.. some people say Mac's are great, others say they're not. Sure you can kinda judge how popular a fixture is due to its features/durability from looking what everyone else keeps in hire stock, but as we know.. there's reasons why some people only have certain brands and others only have some other ones. T James which company in Edinburgh has these particular lights as I am unaware of any?Any bet its Blacklight ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STU007280 Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 I never realised recommending a light could cause so much fuss!........didnt realise ML meant moving light,I assumed it was a brand.sorry! Yeh I have programmed them..I used them when I learnt how to use Frog 2 fully. The only thing that ive ever seen wrong with them when they come back which is very rarely, is customers change the colours on the colour wheel about! 'Again, sorry, but informed opinions from those who've physically rigged, patched, programmed and operated movers are great. Uninformed 3rd-hand comments are not.' Yes I have rigged, patched, programmed and operated movers! And yes, I do know blacklight has them, Spots and Washes. Any more questions?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I have a question. How old are you? Just that it's good to know how old someone is and how much experience they are likely to have, when looking at what they're posting. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STU007280 Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 I have a question. How old are you? Just that it's good to know how old someone is and how much experience they are likely to have, when looking at what they're posting. ;) im 16,yeh most people think 16, he wont have alot of experience...but not being big headed or that, I think I have a fair bit ** laughs out loud ** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Hi Stu. With respect, at 16 you are unable to have "a fair bit" by any reasonable standard. No-one is trying to suggest that you have no knowledge, just that you haven't had enough time to acquire a respectable level of experience. I was learning to work with lights while you learning to walk and talk, and I'm not even that old! Moderation: I'm going to split this thread off (once I work out a reasonable place to split it...it's a bit "tightly woven"...) but please don't feel this is all about you - it's about a more general point regarding the wisdom of giving an opinion on a product that people haven't really used that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oli Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I think you may be a bit confused James. Black Light do not stock any SGM 250 II Completes, they stock SGM Victory II and Giottos. The OP was looking for a theatrical use light and Scans do not normally cut it. I never realised recommending a light could cause so much fuss! It is not about causing a fuss, this forum thrives on peoples opinions and personal recommendations however the opinions and recommendations given have to be relevant. Recommending a scan instead of, say, a mac 250 is almost the same as recommending a Vauxhall Astravan when somebody says they need to move 3 tonnes of equipment everyday. The forum exists for people to help each other on serious matters and also on some more light hearted topics, but I would not post my thoughts on a sound question as I know I do not have enough experience to offer any real help. However I know that if I ever did need sound help, I could post and the experienced noise boys would try to help. I myself got onto the wrong side of some people on here, when I was 17/18. I thought I was untouchable and I made a few comments that made me seem like an idiot but I learnt from these and I moved on and now I try to offer help where I know I can. The people on this forum are (mostly) professionals who take time out of there own day/work to help others and that is why you must offer advice on subjects you understand fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STU007280 Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 Black Light do not stock any SGM 250 II Completes, they stock SGM Victory II and Giottos. The OP was looking for a theatrical use light and Scans do not normally cut it. Ohhh,,,I look like an idiot!yeh your rite, I was thinking about the SGM Giotto Spot 400but kept mixing up the names withSGM Victory II 250 !! Oli wasnt I working with you in the summer? Hi Stu. With respect, at 16 you are unable to have "a fair bit" by any reasonable standard. No-one is trying to suggest that you have no knowledge, just that you haven't had enough time to acquire a respectable level of experience. Yeh I know what u mean,just to let u know, my names not Stu its james, STU007280, thats my student id! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oli Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Oli wasnt I working with you in the summer?. Yes you certainly were. Oli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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