Stewart Newlands Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Does everyone follow BS ISO1128-2 2007 when considering the ergonomic impact of flight cases and manual handling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew C Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I for one, don't even know what it is! Does it have a name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Newlands Posted January 25, 2009 Author Share Posted January 25, 2009 BS ISO 11 228-2:2007 Ergonomics - Manual handling - Part 2 Pushing and pulling "This part of ISO11228 gives the recommended limits for whole body pushing and pulling. It provides guidance on the assessment of risk factors considered important to manual pushing and pulling, allowing the health risks of the working population to be evaluated...." So if someone gets a strain and takes time off work, it may be asked if the assessment was done to any standard like this one.... Would a court consider it reasonable and practicable to calculate the risk in a suitable and sufficient way as recommended in this standard or is your estimate good enough? If you purchase a new flight case should you ask the manufacturer to specify the maximum force per person pulling and pushing, and hence the maximum content mass etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Jay Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 *BLINKS UNCOMPREHENDINLY* :) Damian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamharman Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 If you purchase a new flight case should you ask the manufacturer to specify the maximum force per person pulling and pushing, and hence the maximum content mass etc? You can hardly expect a case manufacturer to know the ground conditions on every job you're ever likely to do. Given decent wheels, it's not difficult to move several tons on a perfectly smooth concrete floor, but 50kg with small castors on gravel is a complete nightmare. I haven't read that document (and probably never will), but the only way you can ensure that pushing/pulling/lifting forces are kept below any limit is to do a site visit to every job to assess the access, go back and re-pack everything to suit, hire an extra vehicle to cope with all the half empty cases, and add 20% to the invoice to cover it all. Edit to add: Maybe I'm being a little facetious, but you get the idea. Is anybody actually going to go to the trouble of doing it? Personally I don't employ anybody, so it's only my problem how heavy my gear is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew C Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 In the real world, if you try to push a case that feels too heavy, you call someone over to give you a hand. End-of, no totally impractical paper pushing, safety elf employing, BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlinford Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Many of these documents are worth reading, and considering - particularly if you're in charge of a project or group. Unfortunately, with some of the running at £20 *per page*, it's a little bit hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie wilson Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Does everyone follow BS ISO1128-2 2007 when considering the ergonomic impact of flight cases and manual handling? Yes, I off set my handels so my cases are counter balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 In the real world, if you try to push a case that feels too heavy, you call someone over to give you a hand. End-of, no totally impractical paper pushing, safety elf employing, BS.That's about the size of it!And if they're empty, with a smooth straight path/corridor, you can even manage to push 2 or 3 at a time...!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Cain Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 In the real world, if you try to push a case that feels too heavy, you call someone over to give you a hand. End-of, no totally impractical paper pushing, safety elf employing, BS.That's about the size of it!And if they're empty, with a smooth straight path/corridor, you can even manage to push 2 or 3 at a time...!:) sometimes if there full you can still manage to push multiples! depending on who is around you and you location! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Would a court consider it reasonable and practicable to calculate the risk in a suitable and sufficient way as recommended in this standard or is your estimate good enough? I'm sure the manual handling expert might be familiar with BS ISO 11228-2:2007, but for most instances the guidance given in the HSE documentation assumes a much lower level of knowledge and assessment. I suspect that unless there are very unusual circumstances, a court isn't going to expect all routine manual handling assessments to be carried out at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Stewart, with great respect, I don't care about a BS for pushing flightcases... :) Common sense rules again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seano Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Many of these documents are worth reading, and considering - particularly if you're in charge of a project or group.Unfortunately, with some of the running at £20 *per page*, it's a little bit hopeless. With regard to getting a look at standards without handing over your life savings to the BSI: your local library is your friend. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleah Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 I've always pushed, pulled, lifted, lowered, thrown :P flightcases in such a way to cause least pain; firstly to me, secondly to anyone around me, thirdly to my surroundings and lastly to the case and said contents. Surely that about covers it? Jesting apart, I do understand about back injuries etc, you don't know till it's too late :) been there :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McCrea Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 If you purchase a new flight case should you ask the manufacturer to specify the maximum force per person pulling and pushing, and hence the maximum content mass etc?I assume you do every time you purchase a case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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