Killyp Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I've found that when a vocal line cannot cut through a mix, it's more down to the other instruments in the mix than the vocalist, choice of microphone or the way the vocalist is EQd. For example, most guitar based music in clubs is mixed with the guitar way too high in the mix in order to 'fill' the sound overall. The end result is a big mess/wash of sound which is nothing short of painful and doesn't allow other instruments (mainly vocals) to cut through. Bring the guitars down a bit, add a small amount of (relatively short) reverb with a smooth high-end and the guitar will still 'fill' the mix without wiping out the vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallMike Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Sound Advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftysimian Posted January 25, 2009 Author Share Posted January 25, 2009 okay thanks for eveyones advice, looks like I may stick with the sm58, however would the beta be a better option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallMike Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 NOO! don't ask for more opinions!! If you like the blue band, the beta58 is for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killyp Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 From my experience, the difference between the SM58 and the Beta 58 is mainly down to the way they reject sound from the rear. If using stereo wedges, I would always use a Beta 58, with the microphone pointing in exactly the opposite direction to the gap between the wedges. There's a likelihood the singer will undo this, but it does still give you that extra degree of rear-rejection. If using a mono wedge positioned directly behind the microphone, or a little off to the side, I would use an SM58. It tends to pick things up from the sides a little more, but not from directly behind it. The sound of the two is... different. Can't say I prefer one over the other really. The SM58 is quite a bit darker and works very well with female vocals. The Beta 58 tends to be better for male vocals, but that's not always the case (at least in my experience). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftysimian Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 thanks for that very helpful, looks like its the beta. cheers I will let you know how I go and hunt you down if it works out bad ha ha again cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Craftysimian, hire some mics to try before you buy. Only then will you know the "best" mic for your application, and more importantly, your voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Beech Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Agree with David and Colin. they're really only going to cost you a few quid to hire one for a day, infact if you went to a hire/sales place I'm sure if you hired a Beta58 for a day and like it and bought one from them they'd not charge you for the hire. Well, a reasonable company wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Need Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 EV RE410 or EV RE510 knocks the socks off any Beta IMO If the budget won't stretch to the £100+ mark EV 268 - amazing - knocks the socks off a SM58, drop proof (it bounces even if dropped on the windshield) and costs less than a 58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hounsome Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Like I said at the start find a hire company and hire diffrent mics to try. find the best for what you need. there are lots of good hire company on blue room talk to them. colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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