Pedal control of Yamaha LS9 effects and tap-tempo

[exaisle]

Hi, I've recently acquired a Yamaha LS9 (16 track) desk with which I'm well pleased.

 

I understand that it is possible to use a pedal to switch effects (reverb, delay etc) on and off, similar to an analogue desk and that it is also possible to use a second pedal for tap-tempo purposes (eg. to set tempo of delays during songs).

 

Can anybody tell me how to do this.....and what hardware is needed?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

E.

[Gareth Owen]

Okay,

 

There could be a more simple way of doing this, however, in the past I have used MIDI pedals to do something similar with the LS9.

 

You configure the pedal to output different control change parameters, ie Channel 1, Control Change 1, Value 1. You then use the Control Change window on the MIDI page of the LS9 to define what the console does when it receives that MIDI value. You can have multiple pedals with different programmed values to make the console do different things, ie Mute Reverbs, Change Scenes, Turn on EQ etc.

 

Using this same principle you could configure a MiDI volume pedal to actually control a fader or pan knob...

 

I'm sure there has to be a more simple way however but the lack of GPI inputs or footswitch sockets dosen't imediatly suggest what it is...

[exaisle]

Hi Gareth,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I'm assuming that something like a dual footswitch controller from Midi Solutions (in Canada) together with a Boss FS-6 would be suitable hardware for this purpose?

 

Or...if you could suggest more easily accessible hardware, Id be glad to hear about it....dont really want to have to wait for it to ship from Canada. :-)

 

E.

[exaisle]

OK...Using a sequencer, I've been able to switch effects on and off so I can assign a midi pedal to do the same thing...problem solved...but I cant figure out how to set up the tap-tempo.

 

Ive been back and forward through the LS9 manual for the past two hours....no joy.

 

Somebody...help! (Please!).

 

 

Exaisle

 

 

 

 

 

Okay,

 

There could be a more simple way of doing this, however, in the past I have used MIDI pedals to do something similar with the LS9.

 

You configure the pedal to output different control change parameters, ie Channel 1, Control Change 1, Value 1. You then use the Control Change window on the MIDI page of the LS9 to define what the console does when it receives that MIDI value. You can have multiple pedals with different programmed values to make the console do different things, ie Mute Reverbs, Change Scenes, Turn on EQ etc.

 

Using this same principle you could configure a MiDI volume pedal to actually control a fader or pan knob...

 

I'm sure there has to be a more simple way however but the lack of GPI inputs or footswitch sockets dosen't imediatly suggest what it is...

[Gareth Owen]

The box I used is the Midi Solutions R8 which has a load of relay inputs to which you can connect buttons, pedals etc. It then spews out MIDI which can be configured as anything you want, programmed via SySex. Unfortunatly I think its an American import but there could well be a UK distributor.

 

As for the tap tempo, again I'm not sure but I have a vauge idea that the LS9 can read MIDI Tempo data...

[exaisle]

Have I finally come up with a problem that the combined brainpower of thie forum can't solve?

 

Tap Tempo via a pedal using the Yamaha LS9? The sender of the first correct solution will receive a packet of jelly beans...and my eternal thanks ;-)

 

E

[Mr.X]

Have I finally come up with a problem that the combined brainpower of thie forum can't solve?

 

Tap Tempo via a pedal using the Yamaha LS9? The sender of the first correct solution will receive a packet of jelly beans...and my eternal thanks ;-)

 

E

Use the MIDI Solutions Footswitch controller, as others have suggested. http://www.midisolutions.com/prodfsw.htm

Use the MIDI timing clock function to send midi tempo messages to the LS9. Connect up the MIDI out of the MSFC to the MIDI in on the LS9, set the MIDI Receive settings on the LS9, then set the Tempo setting of the effect to MIDI CLK. Use a momentary pedal connected to the MSFC and start tappin'.

 

Voila!

 

I'll let you know where to send the jelly beans! :)

 

-Andy.

[TimmyP1955]

Any reason why you do not want to just configure some of the User Defined Keys for these tasks? It's much easier, costs nothing, and does not involve any cables.

 

You can set a key as a tap tempo and assign it to the effects rack of your choice (or to operate on whichever unit you have 'open'. (Then in the effect, turn Sync on and set the MIDI note value such that the button presses and the delay time are 1:1.)

 

You can set a key as an effects bypass (I don't know if they bypass to mute, or bypass to dry output - hopefully the former).

 

You can set a key as a mute master, then assign an effects send or return (which would cut off reverb tails) to the appropriate mute group. I have one that kills the send to the vocal reverb (for dry songs or between song banter), and one that kills all the returns (for those "bop!" endings on which I don't want a reverb tail or delay repeat).

[Rob_Beech]

I'm guessing the op also performs on stage and wants the desk just off stage so control of fx on and off and a tap via a cable is necessary.

[Matt Pengelly]

It could simply be a case of the OP preferring to tap the tempo with his foot rather than his finger.

 

I know a few folk who carry non-latching foot switches around with their D-2s etc. I'm more of a finger-tap kind of guy myself, but to each their own.

 

The MidiSolutions box mentioned already looks like a nice way to adapt this functionality into the realms of MIDI.

[TimmyP1955]

There's a thread on PSW about using the Behringer with the LS9. IIRC there's some need for a computer and MIDI translation software in order to make certain things happen. This may or may not be needed with another type of MIDI controller, and with the functions you wish to operate.

[risc]

Personally I find my finger on a button easier and more acurate than using a pedal, my finger is faster than my foot :D

 

Sometime ago I looked at this, we use behringer midi controllers with LS9's and M7's. I hooked up the midi output of the ls9 to the pc and had a look at what, if anything, the console was transmitting when the tap button on the desk was pressed

The results were that this is more complicated than control reference and value.

Along with the control data was aditional ascii code(might have spelled that wrong) which was not consistent for every tempo button press. What looked to be happening with the additional information was that it was being used as a press count and/or average tempo across repeated presses (guess).

LS9 midi output (tempo button presses) recorded on the sequencer can be sent to the desk and this succsefully changes the delay.

I tried to get the behringer bcr2000 to replicate the control reference and values as were recorded on the sequencer but it seems that without the additional code, which the the bcr2000 is not capable, the desk wouldn't respond

So anyone smart enough to decipher the ascii part of midi message is on to a winner, when this happens the next problem is finding a piece of hardware that will do the same job.

The conclusion was no.

Anyone do any better?