Aaron-Hill07 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well, were about to purchase a zero 88 fat frog second hand from a private seller..I am the LD for a live music company, rock gigs mainly.. And I like the ''pallette'' style used on pearls, and what I want to know is, can you do similar things with the fat frog? Such as in the second preset area, setup a bank of gobo's, colours and positions? or is there something else you have to do.. In the perfect situation I would setup shapes on the submasters, and playback those, but I want the pallette's like I've described above. Is it possible? and is it easy to do? Any help is very much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoLiEn Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 you can have individual palletes for posistion beamshape colour and I think brightness as well. they are easy to set up and record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhuson Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 If you're used to a Pearl you'd be very frustrated by a Fat Frog, granted it has similar functions (palettes etc) but it's not as flexible and buskable as a Pearl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Hill07 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 But it's definately do-able isn't it.. So if I set up say 6 colours, 6 gobo's and 6 positions.. I could run them along side shapes preprogrammed into the submasters? that's all I'm really trying to achieve.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HobitLight Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Yep. There is 24 of each colour, beamshape and posistion, accessed by the preset flash buttons. It's worth noting, however, that you can only have one group accessed at a time. So if you have position up on the palettes, you can't have colour or beamshape. You can also lock them (i.e. have either c/b/p permanantly on the flash buttons for instant access) by holding the desired group button (e.g. colour) and hitting F1. To release it, hit F1 again. Also, shapes can be programmed onto the palettes, too, under position if desired. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Hill07 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 Makes sense, thanks for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyF18 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Make sure when you get the Fat Frog that you update it to the latest software version (available from Zero 88 website or www.frogsupport.com) - makes a big difference from earlier versions.It is frustrating to use compared to a Pearl, no timed playbacks on palettes, no shape generator (a few very basic shapes maybe), just not as generally buskable as already said. But they are dirt cheap. If you get to know the desk, think about things and set it up cleverly you'll probably be surprised how much it is possible to achieve (considering the slating it usually gets when compared to other desks that are aimed at gigs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_the_LD Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 As someone else has said yes it will do palettes but it is very different to a Pearl. I busked a gig on a fat frog and kept trying to do Pearl stuff on it which I couldn't! There are beamshape, colour and position palettes I believe although there MAY be brightness. 24 of each. To record it you set up the desk as you want, hold down the colour button for example, then hold down a flash button and it will record the palette. To access it you select the fixture you want to apply it to, hold down colour and press the relevant flash button. You can also name the palettes which can be useful! For some reason on the display, IIRC, it shows you can do 48 palettes but I'm not sure how you do that - I THINK it might be something to do with pressing shift first. Hope that helps! A concurrent post has been automatically merged from this point on. It is frustrating to use compared to a Pearl, no timed playbacks on palettes, no shape generator (a few very basic shapes maybe), just not as generally buskable as already said.Whilst I don't believe there to be a shape generator as such, it is worth nothing the FROG function. You click a fixture, select which attribute you are on about; for example position, and then press FROG. You then set up the options for FROG, such as the values you want it to vary between, and various other bits. So it's a kind of shape generator but not as advanced as on the Pearl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 There is a basic shape generator - press POSITION multiple times to cycle to EFFECT, SIZE X, SIZE Y, SPEED, ROTATION, OFFSET. Each of these can be modified using the wheels and stored into palettes/memories/submasters as normal. I hope this helps clear things up, If I can be of any help whilst you're using the Frog or any Zero 88 product, please don't hesitate to contact me, Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelxbloke Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 *snip* For some reason on the display, IIRC, it shows you can do 48 palettes but I'm not sure how you do that - I THINK it might be something to do with pressing shift first. You have to change which page of flash buttons you are using, I believe the button is just below the preset crossfaders. This is the button that gives you 1-24 or 25-48 for your faders & flash buttons. If you hit that then save your palette in the same way it will save to the second set. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_the_LD Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 *snip* For some reason on the display, IIRC, it shows you can do 48 palettes but I'm not sure how you do that - I THINK it might be something to do with pressing shift first. You have to change which page of flash buttons you are using, I believe the button is just below the preset crossfaders. This is the button that gives you 1-24 or 25-48 for your faders & flash buttons. If you hit that then save your palette in the same way it will save to the second set. SteveThought so. Wonder why people only asume it's 24! The guy I borrowed the desk off said there were 24, and Hobit also said there were only 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyF18 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 You guys sure about this? The manual says only 24 palettes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Having used pallets on a V10.9 Software Fat Frog I can say it does have 48 Pallets. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhogg Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 It does have 48 palettes with the latest software, I think you press the shift button to access the 2nd page (along with the attribute button, which could require a 3rd hand!)It also has a shape generator, while not as sophisticated as the pearl, is still perfectly usable. This desk is brilliant to learn on. I've done quite big shows with a frog, having to pair up movers and flip the pan. Not ideal I know, and yes I do much prefer pearls. Considering the price of these desks now, they are amazing value for money, and you can still get an amazing show from a fat frog - even if it takes 3 times as long to program! Sorry for the rant - Frog has a special place in my heart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Hill07 Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Thanks a lot for all the help guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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