crox Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 any suggestions for wired solutions? we are going to be giving all the muso's IEM as our new desk offers enough channels for this. I see that there are a lot of multiple channel units, which although saves money, surely would mean lots of cables running from a box to the muso's whereas surely something, say belt pack, which offers local input as well as what we send them, with mix control would be far better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Lawrance Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You've not said if your new desk is digital or analogue, but I've had great success with the Aviom kit with our digi desk. Check it out http://www.aviom.com/Product-Categories-1/...-Personal-Mixer 2p in the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crox Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 sorry, analogue. AL2800-32 for what its worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heapsy Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You don't mention what area you are working, theatre, live events etc but I've had a lot of success in the past just using a mini mixing desk such as the Behringer Xenyx 502. I have Y spilt a vocal mic into these before so backing vocalists can have independent control of their own voice and a mix I send them.Hope that is helpful,Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crox Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 it will be for live worship at a church (in a cinema - see other thread). We currently use active monitors, but want as less stage noise as possible, as well as looking a lot cleaner and professional. Hence, a separate mixing desk will not cut it, neither will a multi in/output unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Beech Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Neat cabling is important, but easily achievable. The Behringer 4 channel offering is very good for the money, and of course you buy as many as you need. You can have a shared mix, or aux mixes and blend each channel between the 2. One thing you need to be careful of is impedance. The 4 channel Behringer one drives down to 8ohms. Alot of commercial IEM are 32 ohms, some 16 so the unit can easily cope with these. In the case of 32, if you share mixes, you can even run 4 off of the same output here giving you an 8ohm load in total. The 8 channel ones, and the majority of other 4 and 8 channel ones at the budget end of the market (samson, alto phonic that sort of thing) only drive to 100hms. This is quite frankly useless for most earphones of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_hate_fisicks Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Neat cabling is important, but easily achievable. The Behringer 4 channel offering is very good for the money, and of course you buy as many as you need. The Behringer 8 channel unit is probably the worst piece of audio equipment I have ever come across however (unless the one I had was duff in some way). Cabling wise, rather than individual XLRs to each musician, you can just make headphone extension leads, then it's all much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killyp Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I've found the headphone preamps in Behringers to be very limited in terms of output, although I haven't tried the Xenyx series, only the Euroracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crox Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 I don't want to go down the multi-channel per unit affair, rather giving everyone their own pack. I have heard from a fairly sizeable church in Norwich, that Fischer amps are spot on. Not cheap though, but from what I have seen, solid as a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_hate_fisicks Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I don't want to go down the multi-channel per unit affair, rather giving everyone their own pack. I have heard from a fairly sizeable church in Norwich, that Fischer amps are spot on. Not cheap though, but from what I have seen, solid as a rock. Well the obvious choice is then the Shure PSM600 wired beltpack. I believe these retail for around £600 each :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 How about building one? Headphone Amp Schematic Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 If you have a look at the Thomann site there are many wired IEM solutions at various price points. Another interesting solution is the Mackie HMX56 Though now having seen such a setup working, I'm of the opinion that for a reasonable size band the "Behringer ickle mixer per muso" solution is hard to beat, either in terms of functionality (Your talking Aviom to do better) or price. The only hassle is cable, and thats just building a passivre split box and a few six channel multicores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crox Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 I quite like this: http://www.thomann.de/gb/fischer_amps_inear_monitor_bp.htm. I assume that the Behringer kit is this: http://www.dv247.com/invt/34071/ we already have one but apparently the signal I send only comes in one ear? I don't think that we are setting it up wrong but perhaps just the headphones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 the majority of other 4 and 8 channel ones at the budget end of the market (samson, alto phonic that sort of thing) only drive to 100hms. This is quite frankly useless for most earphones of today. The samson is quite happy at 8 ohms. The reason I got that one was because at the time, behringer's offering couldn't manage anything below 16 ohms. Of course they later brought out models that were happier at lower impedances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappie Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Well the obvious choice is then the Shure PSM600 wired beltpack. I believe these retail for around £600 each :sThe P6HW is a good unit, but the last time I tried to buy them they were temporarily (possibly permanently) discontinued due to not meeting RoHS regs and being an old unit Shure were in no rush to rectify this, although I don't know if this is still the case. A slightly cheaper option is the Canford beltpack amplifier (here), but these don't allow any mix control between two sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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