TT+ Art combination advice

[bassfreak]

In the new year I'm starting a new band venture and with that will need a new PA, after hearing the TTs18 subs these are definatley what I'm after, 1 each side. Now the budget may not cover me getting the tt tops but looking at the ART712 active tops these are well in the budget. I am planning to have a listen to these somewhere to see how they work together but is there anyone who could give me a heads up on the compatability and what the ART712 will be like for a 4-5piece band.

 

Cheers guys.

[smalljoshua]

RCF do Have more than Just the Art and TT+ range you know. They have the NX and the 4Pro ranges too.

 

Josh

[bassfreak]

RCF do Have more than Just the Art and TT+ range you know. They have the NX and the 4Pro ranges too.

 

Josh

 

Yeah I know, is the NX range available right now cos I couldn't find any prices, also the 4pro 6001 tops are just over 3 grand a pair, maybe I'll have a listen to the 4pro subs too but I doubt they'll be as good as the tt subs.

[johndenim]

maybe I'll have a listen to the 4pro subs too but I doubt they'll be as good as the tt subs.

 

Correct, they are not.

But to be fair, they are quite a bit cheaper.

 

The 4pro subs are a reasonable sound bang per buck, but for a long term investment I'd go for the TT+ everytime.

[bassfreak]

maybe I'll have a listen to the 4pro subs too but I doubt they'll be as good as the tt subs.

 

Correct, they are not.

But to be fair, they are quite a bit cheaper.

 

The 4pro subs are a reasonable sound bang per buck, but for a long term investment I'd go for the TT+ everytime.

 

I was talking to my mate who runs a TT system (TTs18 + TT25a) and I told him my budget so he recommended that I get the subs and get a pair of the ART712 which he said would be fine although if I could somehow get the extra cash or maybe wait a little longer then no doubt I will get the TT22a.

[ruibr]

Hi, I own the TT+ line array and also some 4Pro and ART gear from RCF.

I have the ART310a which I use with the Art705As Subwoofer from the same line (for small dj and club gigs), and I can tell you that you run out of sub way before you run out of top. I also have the TT+ 8" cabinets that I tried to couple with the 12" sub from the TT+ range, I can tell you that it's the same thing. These smaller subs can't compete against the power of the small tops.

That said, I think the new Art gear is more than capable of handling the TT+subs. Of course the whole range of TT+ tops sound a bit better than the Art or 4Pro range, what you have to check is whether the price difference is worth the quality difference. In your specific case.

If you're looking for Hi-Fi reproduction on your kit, than the TT+ is your choice. But if you want something a bit cheaper, lighter, but that can still take the abuse of long gigs, I would go for the Art range.

As for the TT25a tops, I don't think one TTS18 would be enough to handle it alone... Maybe a TTS28!!! These tops sound really loud! I would go for the smaller TT12a.

[MarkPAman]

<snip>I can tell you that you run out of sub way before you run out of top. I also have the TT+ 8" cabinets that I tried to couple with the 12" sub from the TT+ range, I can tell you that it's the same thing. These smaller subs can't compete against the power of the small tops.

 

I guess it depend on what you're putting through them. That may be true of "dance music" with a lot of bottom (and compression) to it, but I've found the opposite to be the case with live bands.

[bassfreak]

Hi, I own the TT+ line array and also some 4Pro and ART gear from RCF.

I have the ART310a which I use with the Art705As Subwoofer from the same line (for small dj and club gigs), and I can tell you that you run out of sub way before you run out of top. I also have the TT+ 8" cabinets that I tried to couple with the 12" sub from the TT+ range, I can tell you that it's the same thing. These smaller subs can't compete against the power of the small tops.

That said, I think the new Art gear is more than capable of handling the TT+subs. Of course the whole range of TT+ tops sound a bit better than the Art or 4Pro range, what you have to check is whether the price difference is worth the quality difference. In your specific case.

If you're looking for Hi-Fi reproduction on your kit, than the TT+ is your choice. But if you want something a bit cheaper, lighter, but that can still take the abuse of long gigs, I would go for the Art range.

As for the TT25a tops, I don't think one TTS18 would be enough to handle it alone... Maybe a TTS28!!! These tops sound really loud! I would go for the smaller TT12a.

 

Hi, thanks for that. Yeah I think that I would actually go for the TT22a as opposed to the 25a but would be over my budget, so looks like I'd get the ART712 until I can rake the extra cash up for the TT22a.

[ruibr]

hi, I see your point MarkPAman. You're right about these subs having a better response for live acts than in dance music. We used this kit once on a really small club where the house system was connected to a dbMeter that shutdown the pa power when it reached excess leves, which in this case was the accoustical signature of the drumkit. And we still had to add guitars, keys, violins and a horn section. But it was a high.profile band doing a low-profile gig and thay wanted a bit more power obviously. So we got out the Art system (310 and 705s) and all those professional and high profile sound techs were blown away by the performance of this small, plastic and cheap PA.

But, being a DJ in origin, I guess that a PA performance for me will allways be measured by SPL on a dancefloor. But my associate doesn't allow me to use the TT+ S28's for dance floor. He says it's a waste of quality :unsure:

[fatfrog]

I have the same setup as MarkPAman and I can assure you there is plenty of headroom on the TT08a tops & TTS12 subs.

 

I am more than happy with it, I'm currently contemplating purchasing a pair of TT22a's & TTS18's for larger gigs, I had a listen to one in the University Of Limerick Concert Hall on tuesday at I was really impressed by it.

 

Save up and go for a full tt+ rig is my opinion.

 

Alan

[Greg RCF]

Hi Guys,

 

Firstly can I say thanks for all the glowing reports on the various RCF products, we try and produce the best possible products we can to suit certain price breaks.

 

With regards to the original question Bassfreak if you are going to get any of the ART''s then get the 722-a as the 2inch Compression Driver will give you more than enough hf power which you can always back off rather than go for the 712-a and not have enough. Josh mentioned the 4PRO and NX series both of which are available, the NX has been shipping for around 1-2 months now so it still takes a little time to filter through, if you really cannot afford the TT22-A then the NX M12-A would be my next choice but again it depends on the amount you have to spend, these are probably the closest you will get to the TT22-A but like it was mentioned the audio quality will not be that of the TT22-A, but still very good.

 

 

 

The 4PRO range has been around a while now and the 6001 with an 8001 sub is an amazing system but its main thing is that the 6001 is a large box and its quite heavy but it is very good sounding.You friend that is running the TTS18-A with the TT25-A really isn't using the ideal combination as the tops are far more powerful over the subs the TTS18-A and the TT22-A is an ideal system and the TTS28-A with the TT25-A is a huge sounding system, but its all about control so your friend probably runs the TT25-A with far less gain, this is what rubir mentioned.

 

Rubir you mentioned that the tops where far more powerful than the compact subs but they do a great job for the size and you are never going to get earth moving sub out of a compact 12" subwoofer, they were designed for different applications and for smaller venue's and a solo artist or duo wanting very high quality audio and not really loud LF they are more than up for the job.

 

Bassfreak its easy for me to sit here and say go for the TT22-A but at the end of the day its your hard earned money so you must do whats best for you, but if it was me then I would actually wait a little longer until I could afford the TT22-A's because that way I would have a true system as RCF designed it to be and also if I bought the ART's or the NX, I would have to use them for a longer period knowing that I still want the TT22-A.

 

If you need any further information then please do not hesitate to ask or pm me.

 

Cheers

 

Greg

[bassfreak]

Cheers Greg I think that I will hold on then until I can get the TT22a then, it is going to be after xmas so I may give you a ring if possible. Thanks very much.