matt c Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 More importantly, you need to make sure that only one is running a DHCP server. Or that if they are both running servers, they have disparate allocated ranges, and that neither claims to be authoritative. And that's generally not an option you can set on most domestic ADSl routers.... Tha's true... It'd slipped my mind, since my DHCP server is running from a "proper" server rather than a router. Said server also runs DNS, Apache, MySQL and a few other things too. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 This is where your Kiwi readers get green with envy. If I did 600G in a month, that would cost me (at $10 for 5GB) $1200 NZD (444 quid at todays rate) in usage charges... On the other hand, I'm never "throttled"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3guk Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Paul, I'd recommend moving to the most expensive BeThere package, not only do you benefit from much better speeds than BT provide, but they are also much better with regards to restrictions. I've been working with a lot of HD content over the past few months, and my download and upload amounts are something stupid, according to my modem my last 3months worth consist of around a terrabyte of upload and about double that download. They have never batted an eyelid, and it would appear from their T&Cs that they don't, O2 owns BeThere now, but the packages still differ slightly, and I'd still be tempted to go with BE. The only real qualm I had was that the provided modem is a bit rubbish, it constantly seems to reboot, but I did get one of the first models off the production line, they are supposedly much better now. That said its worth just getting a netgear or something like that, its rock solid. Give me a shout if you want / need free connection, I can refer you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_s Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I have had no Problems with Virgin's 20MB/s service which even though it has a fair usage policy it only applies at some times of the day and not others. BT = Fail. Virgin = Mega fail. For what it's worth my experience of the fair-usage policy on Virgin has been hell. It's not so much the fact that it exists, but that whenever I become the victim of it, I'm throttled far in excess of what the policy states I will be. And experiencing dialup speeds when you have a 10mbit connection is frustrating to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I pay approximately AUD95 per month (roughly £40) for 12 GB per month at an 8 meg download speed. What a rip off! That said, I'm not playing with full bandwidth video here and, even with my big wave files flying around I've never hit the limit yet. However, to play devils avocado here, I certainly not like to be the BT customer in a contention situation with Paulears if he's using 600 GB a month. Much as it must be a major annoyance for Paul, I can almost see the logic of a "fair use policy" I haven't priced leased lines for some years but, at this level of usage Paul must be getting close to needing this sort of service rather than ADSL. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick LX Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I've used BT and for some reason my BRAS profile kept on getting stuck so in the end I was running on dialup speeds. As for Virgin Media: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Media#...idth_throttling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadcast_techie Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Paul, I know you say the only option is a second line, and I don't wish to teach you to suck eggs, but are alternative connections out of the question? If you are needing to use this much data, and you need guaranteed speeds then a leased line may be an option. ADSL is not designed for upload, and it seems you would benefit from the advantages. If ASDL is your only option, then there are ways to load balance across multiple connections, a quick Google revealed that in some countries the reliability of connections means that they have to have two connections. Load balancing almost certainly will require a server to manage the load balancing, http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive...tions-on-linux/ seems a quite good write up. If you don't want to go about setting up a server then it may be possible to run both connections on your network and configure the routing tables within windows to handle some traffic over one connection, and some other the other. To me this seems much more complicated than having a server, but it's down to you. Another option is to have both routers on the network, and manually choose your settings as to which one you want to use per day, or even switch them over physically. - seems a great deal of hassle. Kris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted September 17, 2008 Author Share Posted September 17, 2008 Sucking isn't out of the question - until yesterday I assumed the slow connection was a fault? synchronous alternatives are welcome, although I was under the impression that these options were synchronous, but slower and not as far as I know, available in my area - and even if they were, they make £400 a year for an extra duplicate to what I have look cheap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 SDSL is of course available as an option (ie same speed up as down) but I have no idea on costs for those and how it compares with ADSL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBarl Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 For cost, you are not going to beat 2 ADSL connections. SDSL and leased lines are very expensive and don't necessarily increase download speeds, but will improve upload speeds. The best way to set it up, is with a router that is capable of handling 2 (or More) WAN connections with the ability to load balance and fail over. If you fancy having a go at setting your own up and have an old PC and a few network cards, look at PFSense This is an open source router based on the well known Monowall but also supports multiple WAN connections. If you want an out of the box solution you could try the Draytek Vogor 2950 but expect to pay about £300 for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee M Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Looks like SKY have abandoned fair use & now have 'unlimited' Sky abandon fair use Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nat_Keiller Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 ...see them within Windows Exploder, for e... That made me giggle quite a bit! - perhaps quite a useful tool for those times when your computer is just really frustrating you...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 I wondered if the statement of "unlimited download" and then "fair use was legal". It appears it is. Trading Standards say this:From the information you have supplied, it appears that you have entered into a legally binding contract for the provision of the broadband service. The terms and conditions relating to this contract are legally binding on both parties. If it is detailed within these terms that there is a restriction in download speed, or a 'fair use policy' it may be deemed that you have accepted this term by entering the contract. The only way to contest this would be to argue that this is an unfair term under The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contract Regulations 1999. I have attached a link below for more information on these regulations. http://www.oft.gov.uk/advice_and_resources...terms-consumer/ However, ultimately a judge would have to make a ruling on this in court, to rule that the term is not binding on the consumer. In practical terms, it is not usually possible to enforce the performance of a contract when there are other reasonable remedies for a breach of contract, such as terminating the agreement and restoring you to your original position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungalowJumper Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I have been using Be as an ISP for a while now and it's by far the best ISP I have used in the last several years. In the last few months have been shifting a fair amount of data, downloading fairly quickly for long periods of time with pretty constant uploading and have yet to be choked once. They even send you a nice warning email before applying their fair usuage policy so you can throttle yourself back before they force you to. ( so said their tech people when I called up to ask about how they applyed their fair use policy)With their slightly more expensive deal (£22/month) you get a flexible upload speed, as you upload so you can sacrifice some downstream bandwidth to allow faster upload speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 When moving ISP's I had a weird feeling that "unlimited" was limited, they MUST of been a cap. It took ALOT of pushing to find out that TalkTalk's unlimited was actually limited to 50gb a month but "if you did go over it we will send a letter just suggesting that you are using the internet quite a bit, and if you do continue using so much we will either cap it or charge you" Remembering they would charge ME for over downloading when I am paying for 8mb speed and getting 4mb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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