Mid-Hi Cabs

[cfmonk]

Hi everyone,

 

After some advice from here I was looking to purchase myself a Behringer LMS a Thomann amp and a pair of 12" mid-hi speakers. I've had a look on Thomann and on a couple of UK websites and there are very very few around. Has anyone got any suggestions? I am looking at the budget end of the market so about £200 - £300 per box.

 

Chris

[Shez]

I've had a look on Thomann and on a couple of UK websites and there are very very few around.

 

Just about every manufacturer on the planet produces 12" boxes... Do you have any other criteria that may be reducing your number of options?

[cfmonk]

This may be me being ignorant but most of the 12" Cabs I have seen describe themselves as Full Range. I don't want full range I want just mid-his.

[dunk_1984]

That's where your x-over comes into play to separate the frequencies. ;)

 

As an example though you can get second hand Martin Blackline F12's for about £700 a pair + paint. They are quality boxes and worth the money if your budget stretches to that. I am just using these as an example though that you can get good 12" boxes for not a lot of money.

[cfmonk]

Ah, righto.

 

So I can use any 12" box of a reputable maker I choose and then just send it the bits I want it to turn into noise?

 

That makes the whole thing much simpler. I will put an ad in the wanted forum and look at less quality ones as well!

 

Thank you!

[johndenim]

Your LMS will sort out the frequencies, I assume that as you are after some mid/top cabs you have some subs already?

 

Why not try to match the tops to your subs, at least hopefully they are designed to work together, as oposed to different makes of boxes.

Some mid/top and bass combos that are different makes can sound truly awful.

 

John Denim.

[Bobbsy]

It might be worth giving us just a bit more detail of what gear you already have to make you so insistent you want mid/tops only. John Denim mentions subs, but if that's what you have then you want full range cabs anyway. "Subs" are literally meant to be sub-bass with your other cabs handling down to around 125 Hz. typically. There certainly are 4 way systems with Subs, Bass, Mids and Highs all separate but, from your budget I'm doubtful this is what you will end up with.

 

Obviously, none of this necessarily affects what you buy, just your terminology.

 

Bob

[cfmonk]

Hi Bobbsy,

 

Thanks for the reply! I was trying to avoid duplicating another post but I can see why the info here would be useful.

 

I currently have a pair of Paevey subs and two Peavey full range tops (I can't remember the exact type but they sound ok for what they are). I want to get some more sound out of the system and from another topic it sounded like getting some 12" boxes would be a good idea.

 

My idea would then be to run the Peavey Subs and Mid Boxes from one amp (my Current Peavey 2600), probably using the built in crossovers in the subs (so use the LMS to send the whole signal to those boxes, perhaps taking a bit of the top) and then sending just the top bits (with some crossover) to the 12" boxes through another amp (probably a Thomann own brand one).

 

I hope that clarifies things!

 

Chris

[Rob_Beech]

What is your idea behind keeping the current peavey tops aswell? Surely a pair of better quality, louder mid hi's (which are full range boxes which use a crossover) would give you what you require. You could flog the peavey tops and thus have a larger budget for the new ones?

[Bobbsy]

What Rob said!

 

Even with an LMS, putting together two unmatched sets of full range speakers and trying to use them as low/mids and mid/hi boxes is just as likely to result in some nasty lumps in response as it is to work nicely.

 

I agree you'd be far better off just to get some more efficient, better sounding full range boxes to use with your Peavey subs (until you can get better subs. You'll be amazed at the sound you can get from better full range boxes!

 

Bob

[johndenim]

How true Bob's comment is!

 

I have Peavey (118xt) subs, or bass, whichever they are classed as, crossed over at 150hz, everything else is going up through another amp to Peavey

'top' (Impulse) cabs. (I wouldn't call this full range though Bobbsy?, 150hz upwards?)

 

I have had many discussions on here regarding relacement cabs, and have heard a few recently.

It really is amazing the difference between peavey and a really good manufacturer's cabs, RCF, LOGIC SYSTEMS, HK AUDIO, DB TECH, etc.

 

The list is endless.

Better components and design are the most important factors, of course Peavey are cheaper, but a little bit more budget really does buy you better sounding kit.

As well as a better sound you will also have a greater ease of use, not having to 'tweak' a lot of EQ to get the sound acceptable.

 

Peavey WERE good maybe 10 years ago, (the ones aimed at the pub/club scene anyway) but they don't seem to have progressed, unlike everyone else.

 

John Denim.

[johndenim]

Sorry, forgot to add that buying a LMS would probably not make much of a difference to your current set up.

 

I think you are maybe using the Peavey messenger series?

As before I'd save the money and buy a whole new speaker system, but not Peavey!

 

John Denim.