Kent Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I've just added a second desk to my system which means I can run monitors from the stage instead of FOH.What's the usual set up for discrete comms between both mix positions? I've seen some belt pack systems on the web but they seem quite expensive. Can anyone advise? Cheers KT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Beech Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Some desks have these types of facilities built in, others (often smaller ones) don't. There are several methods, the cheapest requires 2/3 lines on the multicore. Simply take a mic (any type) and plug it into the splitter, use a channel on both desks for this. This enables you to hear eachother and it means that you can also route this to any monitor mix or FOH aswell. The talkback from Monitors requires a line to foh down the main multi. The talkback from FOH requires a return line back to the splitter and then one to the monitor desk, if you wish to use the FOH talk back mic to talk to FOH aswell, then you need a further send up the multi back to FOH, alternatively you can split the signal at the mic to save a multi channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigYinUK Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Isn't there some sort of wireless earpiece/microphone device that would be suitable ? I was at a gig last night and there was a lot of sign language going on between foh and monitor that seemed totally unnecessary in this high tech age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 It may be possible to use a talkback system. Tell us which desks you're using and it will save some guesswork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 I was at a gig last night and there was a lot of sign language going on between foh and monitor that seemed totally unnecessary in this high tech age. When you're in a high SPL environment, sign language is often better than screaming your lungs out down the comms line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt-onstage Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 On shows that we do we often use 2 or 3 types of comms. Firstly we have our standard tech pro system, we also use motorla gp340 with ear pieces and last of all we have our shout system. I think these have been described on here somewhere before but basically includes a couple of powered speakers, a small mixer and a couple of switched mics. with ours we have included 4 channels of wireless mic and 2 sets of IEM. this enables a good contact structre between FOH, Mons, Patch and the guys on stage. Obviously this isnt the sort of system you'd want in at theatre enviroment, thats where the techpro kit is best. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Some desks have these types of facilities built in, others (often smaller ones) don't. There are several methods, the cheapest requires 2/3 lines on the multicore. Simply take a mic (any type) and plug it into the splitter, use a channel on both desks for this. This enables you to hear eachother and it means that you can also route this to any monitor mix or FOH aswell. The talkback from Monitors requires a line to foh down the main multi. The talkback from FOH requires a return line back to the splitter and then one to the monitor desk, if you wish to use the FOH talk back mic to talk to FOH aswell, then you need a further send up the multi back to FOH, alternatively you can split the signal at the mic to save a multi channel.You mean like this? http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/smalljoshua/BRComsSys.png How would you route the mics to the Speakers? I assume through a Pre Fade Aux but I could be wrong. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Beech Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 possibly, not entirely right but the general idea of splitting the signal is there, as for the speakers, it'd go in on a channel, you could send it where you wanted. including the PFL bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerr Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Why does each mic have to go to the local speaker? If you use a powered speaker that has a mic input at FOH you just need to run the FOH mic into the Mons console so it can talk to both the comm speaker at Mons and any mix so it can talkback to the stage, and the Mons mic into the FOH speaker. That way you don't burn a console channel at FOH. Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 That way you don't burn a console channel at FOH. maybe, but if done this way, it allows the engineers to use one mic for talking through their respective PAs and also for talking to each other! saves you "burning" 2 extra mics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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