New cabs wanted, which do I choose????

[peterejones]

I would recommend a Nexo PS10 rig, there's one second hand on ebay :-

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEXO-PS10-SYSTEM-LS5...1QQcmdZViewItem

[Sirch Sound]

I would recommend a Nexo PS10 rig, there's one second hand on ebay :-

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEXO-PS10-SYSTEM-LS5...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

I wouldnt, have a read back a few posts, We have just been discussing the nexo rigs.

 

Rich

[Shaggy]

This is all subjective, but having heard both Nexo and D&B rigs and mixed on Nexo rigs plenty of times I would put them in the same class, as I believe they are price wise. They are similar concepts as speakers go. Nexo does get loud but I would not say that this is at the expense of decent quality sound. The Ps10 is a loud speaker for its size certainly but I am generally happy with the sound of it out of the box, I would not say the high end is harsh in anyway, certainly not when compared to a low end Peavey or JBL eon or EV Sx series or similar. Using 2 ps10s and one sub I have found it plenty loud for open mic nights or acoustic music to a reasonable sized bar but it would struggle when faced with a louder band.

 

Other posters may disagree with me but I would say that when you get to the Nexo/D&B level then you are dealing with reasonably easy to set up high quality systems. I'm sure both companies make the odd less good product but both are better than the Logic systems I have heard. Although this might not be a popular comment to make on a forum populated by sound techs, I personally feel if you are happy with more economical option such as the Logic rig, and feel your audience will be happy as well then going for a cheaper option could be the more sensible choice if you want to stay profitable.

[Sirch Sound]

I would not say the high end is harsh in anyway, certainly not when compared to a low end Peavey or JBL eon or EV Sx series or similar.

 

I might be misreading this but are you comparing a nexo rig to a JBL Eon? Nexo cabs cost about 4x (guessing) the price of a jbl eon cab, I would hope they sound awesom from this sort of price difference, not just 'slightly better'

 

Using 2 ps10s and one sub I have found it plenty loud for open mic nights or acoustic music to a reasonable sized bar but it would struggle when faced with a louder band.

 

Its not the volume of the nexo's were debating here, anything but, its the quality of the sound they produce, it just isnt upto scratch with its competators in my opinion.

 

Other posters may disagree with me but I would say that when you get to the Nexo/D&B level then you are dealing with reasonably easy to set up high quality systems. I'm sure both companies make the odd less good product but both are better than the Logic systems I have heard. Although this might not be a popular comment to make on a forum populated by sound techs, I personally feel if you are happy with more economical option such as the Logic rig, and feel your audience will be happy as well then going for a cheaper option could be the more sensible choice if you want to stay profitable.

 

I think this is a very, very important point you have just brought up. For example I would love an l'acoustics rig, I would be over the moon if I had one, but I would never ever buy one for the jobs I do. Fair enough I could justify the quality and volume, however I could also justify the quality and volume of a much cheaper system. I would not be happy thinking that I wont be earning money for years whilst I pay off the cost of the system and therefor would be happyer with a cheaper system, even if the quality and volume is not as good as the l'acoustics. This is what it all comes down to, if your happy with a certain system and you think you can make it sound nice enough for the audience to like it then thats the system you want to be getting, not a system that we reccomend to you because we like them or because its the most expensive one out there. I think thats possibly the biggest point about your sound system, everyone has preferences and somethimes thats what you need to go for, even if another system is better on paper.

 

Rich

[i_hate_fisicks]

Those who think Nexo is harsh or doesn't produce a quality sound must have heard it set up incorrectly or something.

 

I don't rate too many systems very highly, but I would put Nexo and L'Acoustics very much in the same high class. They both have a very detailed, smooth sound generally across the whole range (with the exception of the Alpha E maybe). I think that L'Acoustics has the edge in hifi terms, but am generally happy to use either. I fail to see how you can like one and not the other.

 

Logic rigs are in an entirely different class, and generally not comparable to the likes of Nexo etc. - hence the swear word down our way thing. Sometimes the ranges cross over, but I've never been impressed with Logic that I've heard. I'm sure there are better sounding systems for the money generally. I'd be very interested to hear these RCF boxes. I've heard some of their other boxes and they are very good.

[Sirch Sound]

Im not saying that they always sound bad, however I think that it take a hell of alot of work to get them sounding nice, well to a standard at which I would be happy with. However something like the rcf rig needs very little eq and work to get it sounding nice, which therefor leaves you more time in the day.

 

Rich

[i_hate_fisicks]

Again, not in my experience. If I have to eq a Nexo rig, it's got to be a particularly horrible room. Things like PS10s, I wouldn't even take an eq out with them.

[johndenim]

Those who think Nexo is harsh or doesn't produce a quality sound must have heard it set up incorrectly or something.

 

I don't rate too many systems very highly, but I would put Nexo and L'Acoustics very much in the same high class. They both have a very detailed, smooth sound generally across the whole range (with the exception of the Alpha E maybe). I think that L'Acoustics has the edge in hifi terms, but am generally happy to use either. I fail to see how you can like one and not the other.

 

Logic rigs are in an entirely different class, and generally not comparable to the likes of Nexo etc. - hence the swear word down our way thing. Sometimes the ranges cross over, but I've never been impressed with Logic that I've heard. I'm sure there are better sounding systems for the money generally. I'd be very interested to hear these RCF boxes. I've heard some of their other boxes and they are very good.

 

 

Maybe I hate fisicks has never heard the logics set up properly?

[Rob_Beech]

Another point to throw into the equation is the amplification. The nexo PS boxes can sound pleasant enough and are more than useable for what you want, but the problem with them is (apart from being over priced) you need amps the size of Bedford to drive them. This costs even more money than the over priced boxes. And if you're looking at a GOOD set of speakers, you can't put a skytec amp on them either, nor will your pv2600's really be up to the job.

 

To put nexo with d&b I think is a little unfair. They use completely different concepts and solutions to enable the users to use their amps and speakers with maximum flexibility. You can't array the PS boxes properly, you can a C6 or Q7. You need to use the necessary controllers for both systems, but with the nexo you need huge amounts of power for SPLs similar and often much lower than a D&B box requiring minimal power. Remember the C4 is only 200watts, but is one of the loudest boxes on the market.

 

To put them with L'acoustic, I'm not sure where this goes either. Which boxes are we comparing? We can't compare PS10's or PS15's with ARCS or Dv, that's like comparing Michael Winner to a Fridge. And the Alpha, or Geo, is completely wrong for the OP's situation.

 

 

Food for thought.

[i_hate_fisicks]

To put nexo with d&b I think is a little unfair. They use completely different concepts and solutions to enable the users to use their amps and speakers with maximum flexibility. You can't array the PS boxes properly, you can a C6 or Q7. You need to use the necessary controllers for both systems, but with the nexo you need huge amounts of power for SPLs similar and often much lower than a D&B box requiring minimal power. Remember the C4 is only 200watts, but is one of the loudest boxes on the market.

 

To put them with L'acoustic, I'm not sure where this goes either. Which boxes are we comparing? We can't compare PS10's or PS15's with ARCS or Dv, that's like comparing Michael Winner to a Fridge. And the Alpha, or Geo, is completely wrong for the OP's situation.

 

Completely different concepts? It's a driver in a box. C4 is 2 mid drivers and a top end on horns in a squarish box, so is Alpha. C6 is a conventional 15"+2" (or whatever it is), so is PS15. Q7 is a compact line array, much like GeoS12. All sounding pretty similar to me. You can't compare Q series to PS series.

 

PS series don't compare to ARCs or DV fairly obviously. But do compare to L'Acoustic's smaller boxes. Fairly obvious really.

 

Don't quite see how PS series are overpriced. They are similarly priced to their competition: C6s, l'acoustics 115s etc, and in many cases cheaper.

 

I was merely pointing out that they are the same class of kit. Like Mercedes and BMW if you like.

 

This seems to have drifted rather into a pointless comparison of different manufacturers' products, not really relevant to the original post. The basic premise is however that Nexo/L'acoustics/D&B is not the same as Logic Systems, which is reflected in the price difference.

[Pete]

Right then.

 

C6 is a 12"

 

Q7 isn't a line array.

 

So yes you can compare it to a PS15.

 

I wouldn't say Mercedes and BMW

 

Its more like comparing Mercedes and VW

[Bobbsy]

** laughs out loud **. So long as we're abusing analogies here, I'd categorise d&b as the Mercedes and Nexo PS as a Nissan Skyline.

 

Street racers and drifters love the Skylinefor its grunt and attitude; boring old gits like me like a smooth ride and effortless power. Both have their places!

 

Bob

[Matt Riley]

Come on. We all know what I hate fisicks is saying. My paraphrase would be 'if you think that Nexo, as a manufacturer are utter sh1te then you're probably uninformed, and industry consensus would say you were wrong.' Okay the PS15 is getting a bit old. Okay they need amps the size of texas to drive them, but as a manufacturer they're in the same 'pro' league as Martin, L-acoustics, KV2, EM, D&B, Meyer, Turbosound etc, and to be honest I know that if I was system teching a festival with any of the above brands as foh PA and you turned up mouthing off about the PA, then unless I'd seen a pic of you in total production magazine with Madonna buying you a pint for your awesome touring engineer skills, then I'd put on my polite "I'm judging you" smile and then remark on your diva like and generally bad attitude in the crew room after you'd left.

 

Dont be a diva. Divas don't get gigs. Divas go hungry. Of course, I'm only a venue soundie working my way through uni, so my opinion doesn't count.

 

Matt

[johndenim]

:P I know this post is a bit off track, but has anyone had any experience with Dynacord mixers?

As I have said in a previous post I am thinking of buying a powered version.

 

I have been told that the amps are of good quality,

The in built feed back filters are notch filters which are a good addition, and the build quality is of high standard?

 

Any thought please?

 

John Denim.

 

:)

[Shaggy]

I'm agreeing with Matt here. Any properly set up system from a quality manufacturer will do the job. Saying "Nexo is rubbish, I won't use it" is like saying "I couldn't possibly ride in a Mercedes". I've used some systems which I have thought sounded a bit poo, then heard other companies set the system up and heard it sound a whole lot better.

 

I don't work for anyone with a vested interest in any one PA system, but my experience of Nexo is miles off "takes a lot of work with the eq". Some rooms I would be perfectly happy with no eq as the speakers themselves sound decent out of the box. Specifically compared to D&B, I'm not seeing the increased efficiency (which they don't list) and the fact that you have to use D&B amps which are quite expensive makes the cost difference in amps negligible. Certainly comparing C4 to Alpha, the alpha box has increased power handling but also increased spl (5db) going by listed peak values. In my opinion saying you can't compare two speakers because one is a 12 inch and the other is a 15 is wrong. It's still a speaker and the 12 could go lower or the 15 could sound better in the high mid even if this isn't the general rule. Sure not all speakers will have a direct equivalent but most manufacturers have something that does most jobs.