New cabs wanted, which do I choose????

[johndenim]

Yes, the latter sounds good, can you recommend a dealer close to Nottingham who stock these?

 

John.

[drowner77]

Hi, Johndenim,

 

I have gone through the pub thing, the holiday park thing, and now I am doing a touring theatre show. I have played through so many systems and I have come away with one conclusion -- PEAVEY SUCKS.. We said it when I lived and played in New York and it still applies here in the U.K.. I know that there will be some here that will jump all over my comment and wax lyrical about something good that Peavey makes, but overall, their stuff is rubbish..

 

Yes, it's bullet proof, yes it can be dropped from a 10 story window and still work, but the same can be said of a boat anchor and I dare say that the boat anchor would sound better, as well..

 

 

If you are looking for a small system for your duo the HK systems mentioned are really good and the Actor is very light and portable. The RCF's are good too. However, you should have a look at the FBT MAXX 12's. They are made by the old owners of RCF --I believe -- and the powered speakers sound really nice. You can also get a powered bottom or two and it will sound great and cost less than the HK and the RCF..

 

HOWEVER, if you want to gig with total piece of mind and thank yourself everytime you play and have punters come up to you saying "Your sound was huge, but it wasn't loud" then I would suggest that you look into the Nexo PS10 system. It is alot of money to be sure, but it will pay off in the long run. It is light, very portable --the tops can be put into a large bowling bag-- and the entire system can be put into the truck of your car. But the thing is that it sounds great..

 

If you listen to one you will know that it is exactly what you need to put you on top of your competitors..

 

That's my two penny's worth..

[johndenim]

All comments appreciated Drowner77,

 

An update on this thread.......

 

I visited Sound control in Nottingham, saturday morning.

 

After explaining to the sales clerk what I was after, he demonstrated the Logic systems xp series,

comprising of x2 1000w x1 18" active subs, x2 600w active 15" tops.

 

To say impressed was an under-statement, the bottom end was so tight and the top was clear and bright.

Had I won the lottery I would have had them there and then.

Has anyone else heard this system? comments please?

 

 

 

http://www.soundcontrol.co.uk/mod_1/pages/...d_ref=1.1.8.168

 

Second off we (my wife and myself) drove up to Electro music, Doncaster.

 

I was interested to hear the quality of the RCF TT+ series so they were first.

They did not have any TT+ subs, so the sales clerk hooked up a pair of 12"tt powered tops, and the "standard" (sorry, didn't get the model) 15" powered subs.

 

I have to say the quality from the tops are, well second to none, in my opinion they even out performed the Logic 15's,

(well it was close)

Crystal clear, really really well balanced, the desk they used(Dynacord) was set flat, no Eq was required!

 

Not so much the case for the subs, but to be fair they were not the TT range, (15" subs are not available in the TT range?)

18" subs are available, but at over 2k a pop, I could only afford these if I sold a kidney.

 

The whole desired system (18" TT subs, and 12" tops) came in at a whopping 6.5K,

compared to the Logic system which amounts to the best part of 5K. (including distance poles, covers, cables)

 

John Denim.

[Bobbsy]

Not so much the case for the subs, but to be fair they were not the TT range, (15" subs are not available in the TT range?)

18" subs are available, but at over 2k a pop, I could only afford these if I sold a kidney.

 

 

Sorry, but you'll have to take your kidney sale to the "Classifieds" forum. :P

 

Seriously, if you still have the time and opportunity, I'd still audition the HK ELIAS PX system. This would give you 12"/1" tops and 15" subs (both powered) at a price well within your originally stated budget. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised by the sound...and even more pleasantly surprised when you tried to carry them upstairs.

 

Bob

[i_hate_fisicks]

The whole desired system (18" TT subs, and 12" tops) came in at a whopping 6.5K,

compared to the Logic system which amounts to the best part of 5K. (including distance poles, covers, cables)

 

For this sort of money, you can also have a Nexo PS10 system, which is a whole class leap above Logic. Probably not as loud as the TT system though. There are a few of these systems in Nottingham if you wish to hear one. Let me know, and I can sort you out with a listen.

[Sirch Sound]

Not so much the case for the subs, but to be fair they were not the TT range, (15" subs are not available in the TT range?)

18" subs are available, but at over 2k a pop, I could only afford these if I sold a kidney.

 

The whole desired system (18" TT subs, and 12" tops) came in at a whopping 6.5K,

 

Ok, first of all I would guess and say the 15" Sub would be the art series sub, which is the rcf "budget" range, although still an awesom sounding range for the price tag.

 

Secondly, as I said in the post in the other topic I would doubt you would need more than a single 18" sub, which im sure there was a new one going on ebay for £1.5k if you have a search im sure you can find something. For most situations a single 18" sub is all you need, just to fill out the bottom end, there that loud. This would bring the price of the system down consierably, although its still slightly out of your price range.

 

I really would have a look at getting a proper demo set up with the subs, im pretty sure it will sell you on it.

 

Rich

[johndenim]

Thanks for the useful input guys.

 

"I'd still audition the HK ELIAS PX system"

I have seen them at a great price @ THOMANN, but upgrading cabs for maybe the last time, so my original 3k budget will and has been revised,( I have sold my granny on ebay)

 

and not sure if 15" subs will quite cut it, surely 18" (and double the power output) are going to be a better choice as far as longivity goes?

 

 

 

 

"For this sort of money, you can also have a Nexo PS10 system, which is a whole class leap above Logic"

I have browsed the web for this system, am I correct in saying this system consists of x2 10" tops, and x1 15" sub?

I can see that the power amp is also included, but I was really after an active system, I know they are heavier but I'm fed up with carting around

x3 6u gator case full of outboards around, not forgetting my heavy wooden mixer/4u rack.

 

Are the Nexo's really a class above Logics?

 

 

 

"I would doubt you would need more than a single 18" sub"

Maybe the case, but I would like the flexibility to play the biggest venues in clubland,

Surely x2 logic subs (rated at 1000w each) are going to have more "thump" than just one?

 

I am also forgetting to add that Sound control are offering me 12 months interest free credit, which sounds quite attractive!

I know that bass cabs are omni-directional, but if you closed your eyes and stood at each end of the stage you can still tell which side the sub is positioned,

and forget about putting it on the floor as more and more clubs are insisting that all equipment be on stage, I think its to do with the good old HSE.

As you can probably tell, I am swayed towards the Logics, the TT+ system would be number one choice, but its just too expensive.

 

I am also thinking of buying a powered dynacord (powermate 1000) as well, this may seem crazy but I also do a few karaoke events, for which I will save the Peavey impulse and use only for this purpose, I am not taking my new tops into the world of karaoke!!!

 

John Denim.

[Pete]

For my 2p...if this is your last planned upgrade dont go with nexo..I dont like it and I'm not the only one.

[i_hate_fisicks]

Are the Nexo's really a class above Logics?

 

Logic is a swear word down our way. Say no more. However if you're looking at pairs of 12" tops and 18" subs, a PS10 system won't be loud enough. But I thought you said you were a duo...!

[Simon Lewis]

Logic is a swear word down our way. Say no more.

For my 2p...if this is your last planned upgrade dont go with nexo..I dont like it and I'm not the only one

 

Might either poster offer some reasoned argument to substantiate the above comments? I'm not saying they are wrong, per se, but would point out that both manufacturers make some pretty good boxes, and a range of products for different applications.

 

Simon

[Bobbsy]

Simon makes a very good point. Your application makes a huge difference as to what speakers are good for you.

 

For example, I tend not to be a big fan of Nexo either...but that's because I tend not to work in the rock/pub/club/concert world. I do mainly theatre and corporate stuff and want a clean, neutral, accurate sound rather than absolute SPL and a gut-thumping bass (which is how I'd characterise Nexo). If I was still mixing for the Deep Purple tribute band I used to work with 35 years ago in my mis-spent youth, Nexo might be the bee's knees! (I have no experience of Logic speakers so can't comment in that direction.)

 

However, for the stuff I do, my "money no object dream speakers" are probably a variety from the db Audiotechnik range. These give me the accurate, neutral, "doesn't sound amplified" sound I want. However, I might well choose something very different for pub rock.

 

Anyway, back to Simon's post: it's far more useful to all concerned if, rather than just saying "I don't like Nexo" or "Logic is a dirty word" you spend a few minutes more to say WHY you hold these views.

 

Bob

[Sirch Sound]

Anyway, back to Simon's post: it's far more useful to all concerned if, rather than just saying "I don't like Nexo" or "Logic is a dirty word" you spend a few minutes more to say WHY you hold these views.

 

Again im not a fan of Nexo and I shal explane why. In my opinion, and this is only my opinion, I think they take too much time to get them sounding decent, as they are designed, as bob says, for max SPl and bass. If you think about it, kind of a ramped up behringer cab, designed to be as loud as possible, however using higher quality components which actually alow them to get pretty loud.

 

And I think I agree with bob again on the dream no holes barred system, it would have to be the db audiotechnik range. Infact one of my favorite all time systems would be the Q7. Anyway I better shut up before I go too far :P

 

Rich

[Shez]

I bought a Logic Systems rig about six years ago. It was originally for a band I was in (six piece rhythm & blues) for which it was fine. I've since done a variety of work with them, from rock, folk to musical theatre. There are, of course, better (and more expensive) boxes out there that may be better suited to specific applications but they've always done the job in the situations I've used them in.

 

(I've been drooling a bit over the TT+ that there's been so much talk of lately but can't really justify a wholesale change of rig.)

 

Customer service from Logic has always been good (The MD of the company happened to be in the store when I bought them & gave me a lift home as I was still in the process of getting a van!). I suspect rider acceptance may not be as high as some of the other brands that have been mentioned but if this is for a duo to use themselves rather than punt out to other people, this shouldn't be an issue.

 

I've never had any negative comments on the sound that I've achieved with them (but the occasional positive comment) so I've not seen reason to seriously look elsewhere. My 2p :P

[Pete]

Apologies for the lack of substance in my previous post.

 

I find that Nexo PS10s and PS15s sound really harsh without a lot of EQ. I admit that alot of my experience with them is with DJs who thrash them but I've just never found them to be really worth what they cost.

 

I mean for a PS 15 system your not a million miles away in price from C6 which is a much nicer sounding box.

 

I also dont like Nexo subs, they just dont give the sort of output I'd like for a box of that price (and weight).

 

I do like PS8s though so there is always an exception.

 

Ive never mixed on Logic and only ever really heard ethos and the mini ethos,but no complainaints about either

[johndenim]

Are the Nexo's really a class above Logics?

 

Logic is a swear word down our way. Say no more. However if you're looking at pairs of 12" tops and 18" subs, a PS10 system won't be loud enough. But I thought you said you were a duo...!

 

 

 

That's correct, Multi instrumental vocal duo.

Some clubs we play granted are not wembley stadium, but I want a decent sound, not max spl.

 

I believe that the better the sound, the better an individual performs, and as we don't have an engineer it helps the act greatly if I do not have to shuffle over, guitar in hand to remove any unwanted feedback.

 

My very first post way one of asking a wide variety of people their opinions of what a decent cab is, and I have really looked forward to coming home from work and reading through this thread, many thanks too you all and many thanks the the people responsible for this fantastic website.

 

 

PS I would really like to audition the HK'S, any ideas on dealers?

 

John Denim.