Showtec LED Pars and Zero88

[jamed2017]

Heylo everybody =]

 

I've got some LED pars and a fatfrog. The personality file I have is LTP. I realy want to assign them to submasters so I can keep the wheels free for the movers.

 

At current I can bring the submaster up and the lights will jump rather than dim (problem), but when I bring the submaster down, they stay up (Anoyingly big Problem)

 

I've been using the Zero88 personality editor with no success. (In that everything I try including virtual intensisty get's me nowhere.)

Does anyone have any idea?

 

Thanks

Jimmy

[HobitLight]

As LEDs are intensity channels you could just use them on the normal preset faders, but use three for each fixture. If you need more channels you just need to go into WIDE mode.

 

To patch them, go into Super User (Plus + Minus + ENTER) > Desk Defaults > Patch > Manual Patch and edit it there.

 

Hope this helps!

[jamed2017]

As LEDs are intensity channels you could just use them on the normal preset faders, but use three for each fixture. If you need more channels you just need to go into WIDE mode.

 

To patch them, go into Super User (Plus + Minus + ENTER) > Desk Defaults > Patch > Manual Patch and edit it there.

 

Hope this helps!

 

If I do this I'll loose 18 of my 48 faders?

 

Thanks,

[steve h]

If you dont need them to do chases etc. you could just set them all to the same DMX address and then you only lose 3 faders!

 

Steve

[jamed2017]

Thats exactly what I need them for. :)

 

I-Candy.

 

I was going to put them in submasters and then make the chases from the submasters.

 

Thanks, Jimmy

[HobitLight]

If I do this I'll loose 18 of my 48 faders?

Yes, three for every LED PAR Can you have, so I assume you have six?

 

Anyway, how many channels are you using already?

 

Like I said, if you are only using channels 1-24 you can run those 18 channels off 25-42 (if my maths is right :) ) in WIDE mode.

 

Thinking about it, what you could do is, if you aren't already in WIDE mode, is go into WIDE mode, record the LED PARs onto the Submasters and then go back into Preset Mode. The chnnel data for the PARS would be stored into the Subs but you could still run the rest off the desk in Preset (or cuelist, etc...)

[ryandell]

Hello,

 

Ok,

 

From what I have read, the advice would be to stick the LED pars onto Generic faders, this would make it easier, as someone says putting them on 25-48 would help, but beware some par cans have a master fader on one of the control channels of DMX, I dont know about the showtec ones. I think If you stick all of the LED's onto the generic faders and addressed them apporopriately then you will have no trouble fading them or recording them into submasters using this method.

 

On the other hand, If you wanted to use the LED par cans on as a fixture (in the knoledge that you could assign all of the LED pars onto one fixture) then if you use the fixture pack from zero 88 availible to download HERE then you select the conventionals folder and then select the RGB dimmer as your fixture file for the LED par cans, then you will have no troubles with dimming them.

 

HTH,

 

Ryan

[jamed2017]

In wide mode allready, cant afford to use anymore as off the amount of conventional lights on the rig.

 

Any ideas how to make a LTP Personality HTP in the Zero88 fixture editor?

 

Thanks

Jimmy

[ryandell]

In wide mode allready, cant afford to use anymore as off the amount of conventional lights on the rig.

 

This leaves you with the option of adressing all of the LED's on the same 3 channels then, or adressing them to 1 fixture file only.

 

Ryan

[jamed2017]

hmm I'm saying 3 channels as if I was only using the RGB. The PAR's them selfs have 6 channels.

 

1. Red

2. Green

3. Blue

4. Color Mac

5. Strobe

6. Sound Sensitive

[steve h]

hmm I'm saying 3 channels as if I was only using the RGB. The PAR's them selfs have 6 channels.

 

1. Red

2. Green

3. Blue

4. Color Mac

5. Strobe

6. Sound Sensitive

 

If you were to run the PARs on the faders then you dont need to use all the channels, a soft patch on the desk can make it so you only operate the 3 channels you need, unless you want to use all 6!

 

I ran a show a couple of weeks back and had a similar problem using the jester desks. In the end I just created a submaster that set all in RGB intensities to 0 so I could turn them off when not needed. It was only a gig so I didnt really have to worry about nice smooth fades like I would like if I was doing something else. I didnt have much time and this is what I came up with!

 

Steve

[jamed2017]

hmm I'm saying 3 channels as if I was only using the RGB. The PAR's them selfs have 6 channels.

 

1. Red

2. Green

3. Blue

4. Color Mac

5. Strobe

6. Sound Sensitive

 

If you were to run the PARs on the faders then you dont need to use all the channels, a soft patch on the desk can make it so you only operate the 3 channles you need, unless you want to use all 6!

 

I ran a show a couple of weeks back and had a similar problem using the jester desks. In the end I just created a submaster that set all in RGB intensities to 0 so I could turn them off when not needed. It was only a gig so I didnt really have to worry about nice smooth fades like I would like if I was doing something else. I didnt have much time and this is what I came up with!

 

Steve

 

yeah I had that thought,

I'm tempted now to brake the old Jands Event Plus out and put all the LED's on that

Bit awkward tho managing all that and having a huge desk for just 6 LED's.

 

Hopefully someone will know how to make this personality HTP and I wont have to put this plan in place.

 

Been looking tho and if we had the avolites pearl I'ld be spoilt for choice on these showtec LED personallitys :)

[niclights]

I read this and thought it silly there was no HTP version. How difficult could it be? So I downloaded the editor and quickly found the reason:

 

Brightness parameters are treated on a HTP basis; Colour, Beamshape and Position parameters are treated on an LTP basis. Only one brightness paramater can be defined for a fixture type.

(nice typo!)

 

So, no way it seems. Unfortunate since I wholly agree HTP is the best way to control these fixtures which don't have dimmer.

[jamed2017]

I read this and thought it silly there was no HTP version. How difficult could it be? So I downloaded the editor and quickly found the reason:

 

Brightness parameters are treated on a HTP basis; Colour, Beamshape and Position parameters are treated on an LTP basis. Only one brightness paramater can be defined for a fixture type.

(nice typo!)

 

So, no way it seems. Unfortunate since I wholly agree HTP is the best way to control these fixtures which don't have dimmer.

 

 

It's realy daft. And realy anoying.

 

Thanks for the help, looks like the jands it is

 

 

Jimmy