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Right! Well I think what I`ll do is live with the Mackies for another 12 months and in the mean time get to grips with other options! The powered desk is interesting to me I`m thinking of going to Adlib Audio and getting something custom built. On a slightly different tack, my desk at the mo is a YAMAHA MG12/4 with effects, does anyone know how I`d get the right reverb out of it? Or should I buy seperate? I`m not sure how good it is, but I know I`ve probably got it set wrong, the manual is pretty useless to me! I`m singing Michael Buble style stuff . . .anytakers for the reverb I should have?

 

thanks for the ideas so far!

 

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Not a fan of powered desks. Each to their own of course.

 

You'll often find the amps in them are very small. There are very few crossover features with them, so you'd rely on passive crossovers in the speakers which limits your options further, and wastes valuable power (power you often don't have with them being underpowered). The one thing goes you lose the lot element stands with this and losing the desk from the setup is about as bad as it gets.

 

It does however save on the number of boxes. But leaves you in a "long speaker lead" scenario again adding to big thick cable runs, costly, and to a much lower extent in this case, loss through cable length.

 

It also means that if ever you wanted to hire in a sound engineer to do a larger awkward venue that your PA would normally be capable of. Instead of hiring and engineer for their going rate and a multicore for £10 or £15 for them to mix out front. The desk HAS to go on the stage or next to it to avoid SILLY length cables.

 

Powered desks serve a purpose, they must do, or they wouldn't make them. But I don't think they are what you require. It's also unlikely you'll match the quality of the XTI range with an amp built into a desk, especially not one coming in on budget aswell.

 

Consider all the options. Have a listen to alsorts, don't just buy on our suggestions, you must hear for yourself. See if you can hire something similar for a night, yes it costs money, but £50 here and £50 there to find out a system is no good for you is better than spending £3000 on it to find this out.

Also, look at your current speakers. What are they worth at the moment? Will they be worth the same in 12 months? Will they have broken again in 12 months and cost you another £400 to fix?

 

 

 

Rob

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Right.

 

If you are not definatly going for a van then you really need to be looking for a more compact system, more than likely powerd, as this cuts down n having to carry an amp rack around with you. I personaly am becoming more of a fan of powerd now, I find it so much simpler and easier than a passive system. However this isnt to say there isnt a place for both types of systems, and that powerd systems are always easier, I just find for my aplication there better. There are also the new yamaha install speakers that are ment to compeat with the TT+ range and, the 15" cabs do put out the same spl as each other, however I have no idea of price, infact they may not even be powerd? Sorry im being pretty useless today, kind of thinking out loud! But anyway if your trying to fit anything in a car I would definatly be looking at the tt+ range or similar. They are VERY good cabs, where are you based in the uk?

 

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Were exactly in the northwest, Stage electrics tyneside have the TT+ 12" tops and the 18" bins in the hire stock, it makes one hell of a system. We set up 1 12" cab at the back off the warehouse on a stand and stood at the bottom of the car park with the roller shutter door open and it still sounded like we were stood infront of it. Anway if you can get to newcastle, or affor the little bit extra cash for us to deliver to you then its worth a shot, you could have a look and see if theres anyone more local hireing the TT range.

 

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Were exactly in the northwest, Stage electrics tyneside have the TT+ 12" tops and the 18" bins in the hire stock, it makes one hell of a system. We set up 1 12" cab at the back off the warehouse on a stand and stood at the bottom of the car park with the roller shutter door open and it still sounded like we were stood infront of it. Anway if you can get to newcastle, or affor the little bit extra cash for us to deliver to you then its worth a shot, you could have a look and see if theres anyone more local hireing the TT range.

 

Rich

 

I`m in Wigan, Lancs so not round the corner from Newcastle! Are these TT 12" and 18" powered? Do you know approx dimensions? And any idea of costing? Thanks for your time!

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Hi, yes there both powerd. Size and weight wise, after a bit of digging I have found the brochure and the weight for the 12"(TT22A) is 23.2kg and the 18" subs (TTS18-A) is 48kg, however a few castors will sort that out, well until you encounter stairs. And size wise the TT22A is 600x400x400mm and the TTS18A is 520x700x860. However it is not cheap, your probably looking at £6.5 k for this system, however this will be MASSIVLEY louder than the cabs you have at the moment. You should be ok with a 8" top and 12" subs to be honest, your looking at about £5k for this system maby slightly less if you buy it as a full system , you might be able to get a bit of discount, however I will get you some up to date prices tomorow at work. However remeber the 15" tops alone are very close to your mackies at the moment, and they weight half the price. Remember that the TT stands for Touring and Theatre, these are serious bits of kit, designed for touring and genrally high demanding aplications.

 

I shal get back to you tomorow with some more accurate prices.

Rich

 

EDIT: Its worth mentioning that the 8" tops +12" sub system comes to 3.5kw rms!

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Not for the full system, but the top puts out 128db max spl and the 12" subs putting out 131db max spl. To give you some comparison the hk lucas performers tops put out 124db max spl, and the 15" sub puts out 126db max spl. So the TT 12" sub puts out 5 more db from a smaller driver!

 

Rich

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The fact it has an amplifier twice the size contributes to why it outputs more. The box designs are probably similar efficiency. Just a higher power handling on the RCF box, or maybe a similar power handling but just a bigger amp means more SPL>

 

That said, there is clearly no comparison between the 2 systems. However, that fact includes the price.

 

This system would easily go in a car. The 8 inch tops in the ashtray whilst the subs would go in the glove box.

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Right! So if I got 2 TT22A and maybe 1 bass bin that would be a great sound?? I`m pretty pleased with my Mackies overall sound, though as someone mentioned they can get lost in the crowd a bit as they`re floor level! I`ve just priced up TT`s at £1499 each, if I got those would I need an equally expensive SUB or could I get a Thomann special just for added kick? Whichever way it seems I need to hear these RCF`s and check out how they sound!
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In the same way that there is no point buying a D&B C4 system and using Soundlab amps instead of the D&B ones. I you're buying good tops, buy good subs. It does work out expensive but the system is only as good as it's weakest link.

 

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Right! So if I got 2 TT22A and maybe 1 bass bin that would be a great sound??

 

NO!

 

Nor would it be with 2 subs, or 12, or 96 tops and 360 subs, It's what you put in and what you do with it that counts.......erm.......

If you can't use it properly you can get it sounding rather poor. Use it right and YES it will be a great sound.

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Sure Rob, but what I meant was, for my size of venue would 1sub work with 2 tops? I totally agree you need to make it sound right and there I`m stuffed. I plug it all in and try to hit some of the right notes. That`s why I`ve got powered everything and a built in FX! I`m no sound technician, but would say 2 TT 8 or 12 cabs and 1 good sub be way better than the Mackies I currently wheel around the Northwest? I almost bought 2 Mackie tops and a Bin, but there was no warmth from the sound, Power yes, but warmth no that`s why I bought the 1530`s because of the mid and the vocal sound it gave me . . . .
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Then I'd DEFINATELY try before you buy with the RCF's.

 

It could work with 1 sub, but I'd prefer 2. If you get to a small venue upstairs, and one is enough don't take the other up stairs.

If you had the 12 inch tops, you could do small rooms without the subs altogether.

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