kingsiwel Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Hi Guy's. My Church has asked me to write a proposal for whole lighting rig (we do not have any form of stage lighting at the moment), we can get the bars up and anything else. I just need to tell them what lighting equipment to buy. We have about £2000 - £3000 (I know, not much). At first, I was looking at a generic rig, with about 18 Parcans and a 18ch dimmer rack, with a desk. But we have been looking into the power sides of things at the church. and we only have single phase and about 30amps play with, and all of the dimmers I have seen want alot more plus three phase. Then I had a "fantastic" idea, LED lighting take virtually no power, so why not use them. So I trotted of to my lecturer at college, and he said it is an OK idea, and he told me to go on Thomann. So I got my hoofs out again and trotted of to Thomann, and found the LED Par 64 (linky), for £43 which I thought was pretty good. That bit is all fine, but I just need a controller, those LED Par's want 5 DMX channels, so 24 of them will want 120 channels. I have no idea what desk to go for. I have looked around, found a few, then saw the price. And thought, "umm...can't afford that one". I am looking to spend about £1000 to £1500 for a desk. I don't need individual channel faders, it can be all "button's". I really am stumped with what one to get for the money we have. I've looked at the "GLP Messenger 1" on Thomann (link) but I have never heard of them, so I am bit weary of getting that one, unless anyone recommends it. So can anyone recommend a desk and where to get it from for that price. Or do you think that it is asking for a bit much the money (be honest). Thanks for any help! Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GridGirl Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Just be aware that while LED pars don't use much power, they also don't put out that much light - nice for pointing at an audience for an effect, but pretty un-useful for actually lighting something up. In terms of a controller, does each lantern need to be individually controlled - you could always pair up and therefore need far fewer channels. I'd be looking at something in the Zero88 Frog range, if I was you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsiwel Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 Sorry, the ceiling height aint that high, so im not that concerned about brightness, also, I am gonna get my lecturer to get some in, and I can have a look at them. If I don't like, then might go for slightly dearer, if not, I will just scrap the idea and go for dimming. But thanks for the info. Also, thanks for telling me about the Frog range. Lewis ;) Edit: Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amillar Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Lewis, My advice would be to use a mix of LEDs and generic fixtures. Generics for FOH lighting and LEDs to provide colour from behind/side and/or on any walls. For a desk my personal recommendation would be for a Zero88 Jester 24/48 - pair up your LEDs to reduce the number of desk channels. All the best with this.Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsiwel Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 Thanks, but the problem with getting generics is the power issue (where we have none) and there is more than likely no chance of getting any more. Thanks for the info, I will continue looking. I'm starting to like the idea of pairing the LED's though! Also, just had an idea of up-lighting? Will this provide more light? Or make it any better? Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakefraser Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Depending on the wall material and how you position the PARs, LEDs can provide very effective visible uplighting as they will be positioned close to the material the light will be hitting. The snag, as discussed before, is that they will create pools of light on the walls/ceiling, but they will provide almost no general illumination in that situation. You may want to look at the 1W LED PARs (Thomann do offer them) as although they're more expensive, they are brighter, so it may or may not be more cost effective in lux/£... Also if you're just wanting to control a set of PARs, you may want to consider a computer based solution such as PCStage, Virtual Controller 2 (Daslight) or Sweetlight as they can provide the software buttons for various presets or sequences, without a lot of hassle. Obviously if you believe there will ever be expansion to include generics, and Jester would probably be a much wiser choice! Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 For Control how about a Zero88 Jester ML it can handle 30 fixtures so assign one LED unit to each fixture and bobs your uncle indevidual and group control and @ £999 ex vat list price it's a bargain. Oh and these are* a bit brighter than the standard LED units, and these are* alot brighter. It all depends on how much you are willing to spend on each unit though. Josh *Indicates an educated guess based on specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsiwel Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 For Control how about a Zero88 Jester ML it can handle 30 fixtures so assign one LED unit to each fixture and bobs your uncle indevidual and group control and @ £999 ex vat list price it's a bargain. Oh and these are* a bit brighter than the standard LED units, and these are* alot brighter. It all depends on how much you are willing to spend on each unit though. Thankyou very much, this was the reply I was looking for! That Jester seems good, I like the idea of assigning each LED Par to a fixture! Once, again. Thankyou! Great help. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Glad I was able to Help. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw1981 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 You can also run a couple of generic profiles or similar off an betapack IIRC, which would allow you some focus and brighter areas amongst teh colour wash from teh LED Pars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsiwel Posted February 13, 2008 Author Share Posted February 13, 2008 Ahhh Betapack! Of course, I forgot about them. I might stick with LED's for the mo, then invest in one of them later on. Thankyou for reminding me! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjriley Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 a Zero88 Jester ML itWhy the ml version this is for moving lights is it not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Moving Lights is a pretty broad term and actually should be Fixtures... an LED can is treated as a fixture (as it uses LTP channels instead of a single dimmer channel) and therefore should be controlled by an appropriately designed desk, like the Jester ML (we also do an ML24, which adds 24 generic channels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Because I suggested each LED Par could be assigned to a fixture on the unit so he could have both individual control of units or enable them all for group control. Josh Edit: Must learn to type faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amillar Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I don't see the benefit of going for the JesterML over a standard Jester 24/48 unless there is an intention to introduce moving lights in the near future - in which case you can always add on the ML component or whatever at this point - the Jester can take DMX in so you can easily add a different desk or a computer controlled feed for your moving things. If you want to control generics and I think you will then I would get a desk with faders and memories (the Jester ML24 is an option but more expensive). Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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