Smoking Ban & Haze

[nickb12345]

Hi All

 

I was talking to someone yesterday about the smoking ban and he said some DJs have been having problems with using Haze and smoke. Basiclly what has been happening is people are going into bars and clubs that have a hazer on the go and complaining to the management that if the DJ is allowed to use smoke why cant we smoke?

 

So the management have been turning the hazers off to shut the punters up but in the process ruining the light show!

 

I know there aren't that many dj's on here but has anyone had any experience of this sort of thing?

 

Im just interested to see how wide spread the problem (if there is one) is!

 

Regards

 

Nick

[iamchristuffin]

I don't really understand this. Surely these nicotine addicts realise that cigarettes have about 300 poisonous chemicals in them, whilst stage smoke and haze, AFAIK, doesn't have any. The two types of smoke aren't even related!!

[nickb12345]

Yep exactly! But when they keep pressuring the management what can the management do? Customer is always right and that (blatently not in this situaton but hey ho)

 

I guess with the beer goggles on they just see smoke and assume there is actually a small adult sat under the dj's console with a box of B&H silver and a blowtorch!

[Ynot]

some DJs have been having problems with using Haze and smoke. Basiclly what has been happening is people are going into bars and clubs that have a hazer on the go and complaining to the management that if the DJ is allowed to use smoke why cant we smoke?

Sounds to me like a handful of smokers are trying it on, just because they can't suck on their favourite dummy any more in public...!

Apologies (sort of) to all those sensible and responsible smokers out there, but this sort of thing is just plain daft!!

[dave_m]

it really is quite daft. Haze = an evaporated liquid. Cigarette smoke = Carcinogens etc. No reason for management with half a brain cell to tell the DJ to turn off the hazer.

[Bryson]

Roll on July 1st.

 

"Why not? Because your type of smoking is illegal, that's why not...."

[Jivemaster]

In most banqueting and pub type rooms the smoke detectors are set so fine that even a fine haze fires the alarms. There is both the irritated punter to cope with, and the tightening regs. Haze IS becoming unuseable in disco type places.

[3guk]

Tbh, after a while they will give up using rubbish excuses, when I was up in Edinburgh for the summer, Haze wasn't a problem and the majority of late night venues that I visited were using it and it appeared the smokers were quite content with smoking outside.

 

Give the public even the slightest hint of something to moan about and 9 times out of 10 they will.

[Ike]

In situations like this it is important to be clear, accurate and speak in language your audience will understand. At the end of the day the bar staff and management are the ones who will be getting all the ear ache yet there is no reason or need for them to have a high level of technical understanding.

 

Take for example this;

it really is quite daft. Haze = an evaporated liquid. Cigarette smoke = Carcinogens etc. No reason for management with half a brain cell to tell the DJ to turn off the hazer.

Sorry to use your example and I'm not suggesting you would have said that to management but it isn't clear, accurate or in their language. Haze isn't always an evaporated liquid, evaporated liquids can be carcinogenic, it's unfair to assume they will know the difference in health effects between evaporated liquid and smoke etc etc etc.

 

Haze IS becoming unusable in disco type places.

Now this I really don't see, in the clubs and bars I work with on a regular basis they have seen no tightening in the regs as regards fire safety, smoke or haze in a good few years.

[J Pearce]

The smoking ban will bring new problems for haze too. Many new venues are being built non smoking now, as such the fire alarms and ventilation are often installed as per a usually smoke free atmosphere.

We have this problem with the Student Union Bar at Derby, to use haze an electrician has to be paid to mind the fire alarm for the block as the ventilation for the bar is shared with the gym.

 

I wonder how many pubs in 5 years time won't be able to use haze as when the fire alarms were reinstalled smoke sensors were fitted.

[Ike]

Surely thats just poor planning on the unions part, all it takes if for someone to ask the architect for what they want and there shouldn't be a problem, should there?

[J Pearce]

Yes it is poor planning, but I think we will see more of it now that people will start to assume that venues are 'smoke free'.

[Ynot]

I wonder how many pubs in 5 years time won't be able to use haze as when the fire alarms were reinstalled smoke sensors were fitted.

I would hope that common sense prevails and we'll see a LOT more rate-of-rise detectors installed in spaces that would regularly use smoke/haze effects.

These can often be less prone to false alarms, anyway, as some smoke detectors can be activated by such daft things as hairspray, or dust from workmen cutting MDF with power tools etc.

[niclights]

With the exception of 'hidden' areas such as roof spaces it is usually no problem to change smoke detectors to rate of rise of heat.

[Jivemaster]

I was in one London hotel ballroom and the aircon was so fierce that the table candles dripped wax up to 18 inches away from the candelabra. Disco designed rooms still seem fine but multi-purpose rooms are getting more maintained lighting and more sensitive alarms.