Fire proof bubble wrap

[Edlight]

Any one know where I can get this and at what cost

[mike]

Sorry to be unhelpful, but no.

 

But prey tell, what do you need it for, maybe we can suggest a suitable alternative if we know what it is to be used for.

 

mike ;)

[Jivemaster]

All thin plastics burn PVC gives off Hydrochloric acid gas (HCl) PTFE gives off Hydrogen Fluoride (HF) which has SEVERE long and short term contraindications for health, Doubt if fireproof bubble wrap exists.

[Thirdtap]

I have used flame retardant builders plastic before.

It caused a few problems because the designer wanted see through plastic where as the treated stuff if opaque and has in red letters all over the plastic flame retardant spec.

[Edlight]

OK. yes you can get it, have used it before but can not remember where it came from, and yes it does need to be bubble wrap

[Tom]

Yes you can get it but it's not cheap. A quick Google through up several possibilities - the most promising looking ones being:

Cover Guard / Bainbridge International Tel: 01489 776 022

They charge £135 for a 1.5m x 100m roll (minimum order) plus delivery and VAT

 

and

 

Ockwells Tel: 01635 582 828 who want £105 +VAT for a 1.2m x 100m roll - including next day delivery (which is nice).

 

I'm actually looking for some as well but don't think I'm going to need as much as 100m - maybe we could do a deal Ed. I'll PM you.

 

Edit: Link fixed

[Jivemaster]

just check that "flame retardant" meets your "Fire Proof" requiriment

[Tom]

OK - some samples have arrived. The main problem is that it does not look very much like ordinary bubble wrap (don't know about Ed, but I want to use it on stage as a prop so what it looks like matters).

 

The sample from Cover Guard is blue, but has nice small bubbles and otherwise looks and feels like ordinary BW. They also put a note in saying that while they would sell me a single roll, their couriers minimum charge was £40!!!

 

The Ockwells sample is white, but much thicker/stiffer and less translucent than ordinary BW. It also had "FIRE RETARDANT" printed in a stripe along it (you can just see this in the picture on their website).

 

As to Fire Retardency, both say they come up to LPS1207. I have no idea what that is and how that compares to what we call "Class 1". However, the Cover Guard sample came with a copy of their test results (done by Warrington Fire Research), a quick scan of which seems to suggest that it is fine (no flaming droplets, no flame spread after removal of flame, material shrinks away from flame without ignition or if it does ignite flame does not reach beyond 300mm from ignition source etc).

 

In the interests of science I also attempted to set fire to a bit and can confirm the above results.

 

So, off to the designer to see if he's happy with the Ockwells stuff and if he's not, then we'll have to come up with a new idea.

 

Ed - I emailed you but have had no response.

 

Moderation - Thread moved to Stage Management

[jimsghost]

Re-hashing a very old topic

 

We are putting a show on in Melbourne, Australia that uses a large amount of bubble-wrap as part of it's set (a floor and hanging as a rear wall).

 

Occupational Health and Safety regulations and standards stipulate that all hanging goods must be flame-retardant, so therefore I am desperately in search of a flame-retardant bubble-wrap. I have found some in the UK (thanks to this forum) from http://www.ockwells.co.uk/product.asp?I=174 Ockwells, but have spoken to every bubble-wrap supplier and producer in Australia, and it just doesn't exist here.

There is apparently some that is used by the building industry as an insulation, however it contains a layer of alluminium... of course making it useless for us because we need to shoot light through it and see through it etc.

 

I would get it shipped from the UK, but I am imaging it will be grossly expensive and probably wouldn't get here in time (show is in about 14 days).

 

I have spoken to a flame-retarding specialist here, who thinks that trying to flame-retard a plastic is nigh on impossible due to the fact that the retardant could never penetrate the plastic, however another guy at a lighting company thinks it may be possible. Covering it in a flame-retardant raises another issue however as the actors spend some time near naked, rolling around on the stuff, and it has been known to cause sevre skin irritation.

 

Any ideas out there???

 

...help me

[Jivemaster]

Ockwells seem to be the most findable supplier in the UK! phone them or email them, see if they can suggest a supplier in your area, or if they can ship you some. At 14 days to curtain up maybe you will have to bite the bullet and pay for the stuff an it's freight. Remember that it's 36hrs in the air from UK to Oz plus customs, freight trans shipping etc.