dentos Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 oooh we're pleased, our band bank balance has just popped into 4 figures... so we're looking to invest in some new gear for the PA, we're definetly going to replace the old el cheapos vocal mics with a couple of SM58s, we're also looking to buy a kick drum mic, I'm looking at the Shure SM91 as a distinct possibility - what else is out there that's worth a look? Maybe something that could also be used on a double bass for the occasional acoustic sets we do? well any suggestions would be most welcome. Oh and also where's the best place to look? Turnkey and Digital Village seem to do the best prices as far as I can tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSA Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 How about the AKG D112?? It may not be right for you though, but it does appear to be one of those 'industry standard' mics, like the SM58 in a way. David P.S. I used the A-T one last month, and wasnt overly impressed....(oh I was probably using it wrong)....but it lacked the punch I desired, and didnt cut through the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Im a Shure Beta 52 Fan! Just great mics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 I keep seeing the D112 badly abused in pub-rock type venues. They all seem to get it the wrong way round! (Tip - the Shiny grille end goes in the kick drum.) The last time I saw it, I told the engineer who was actually very grateful for the advice - it was his second gig. The time before that the chap told me that he "knew" it was supposed to go sideways and then asked me what I did for a living. He seemed upset when I told him... Anyway, we have a D112 and it sounds very nice - but we're increasingly seeing the Shure one on Tech specs these days. See if you can borrow them and listen - it guess it depnds on the "sound" of your band very much, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P. Funk Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 why on EARTH would you want to mic a kick drum?! hehe. the drummer in our band we have to keep telling to shut up! sorry for going off topic, I just was wondering. I've got a friend who is a drummer (yes, the one in our band) and he has just bougth a set of drum mics, so I'll ask him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 Jon, (who says I never listen? ) why on EARTH would you want to mic a kick drum?! Now, if you said snare drum, I'd be with you. All the drummers I know have an obsession with getting THE most piercing snare drum in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicgross Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 why on EARTH would you want to mic a kick drum?! Two reasons: 1) to amplify the drums in larger venues2) to allow decent recording A kick drum mike is designed to repoduce high pressure levels, if you mike up the kick properly and put it into a decent PA you get a wonderfull low end punch which cuts write into the mix. The same with the snare. Drum miking is THE great miking skill: you have to keep it sounding natural (if thats what you need) while enhancing. You will find that it is quite normall to mike up the kick, snare, toms, hihats and put up a pair of overheads for the cymbals. It is all well and good aslong as it is implemented into the mix well: and if live, put into decent cabs with good low end, or subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P. Funk Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 well yeah - that as well. ours has just got a brand new 'hand made' one. which I think is drumemrs code for louder. though I have to give it to him. 3 months into our new band, he's just got a new 'jazz/funk' kit, which will sound awesome. I'm not too much of a soundie.. but just while we're on the topic of instrument miking, what would you suggest as a trumpet mic? I'm hoping to (in my band) run through a multi-FX pedal at some point, to see what happens. Also, do you think a guitar amp would suffice as amplification? I was looking at maybe the yamaha 'silentbrass' practice mutes, which have a headphone out. not really perfect for the job, but £100, could be used for other things, and loq quality shopuldnt reallyu be noticed with a band backing me and a load of FX through. it has the advantage of cutting out the clean trumpet sound completely... Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshwah Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 I personally cannot stand the Akg D112 they always sound the same, they just have a real distinct rocky sound to them with a real click to them before you eq them and no matter were you place them in the drum. Id personally go for a Beta 52 perhaps or even better an Audix D6 audix are by far the leaders in drum mics I think Digital Village sell Audix mics. Another good mic if you want to spend more like £350 is the Audio Technica mic it has both a dynamic and condenser capsule in it so you can mix the two together its lots better to get a more natural drum sound and you can get an amazing sound from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMeG Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 KICK drum?? KICK?? Crikey, how yank d'ya wanna get?! Bass drum! I'm a drummer myself. Fusion/R&B/jazz gigs = Shure BASS drum mic, SM58 on snare with a bit of reverb, 58 on hi-hat, 3 overhead mics. SOOO SOOO SWEET! Note: SM58s are due to budget! Currently saving for better suited ones, poss a clip-on set. Rock on!! Jamie :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Kick drum sounds so much cooler tho - fraid thats all I have to add on my Lampie Knowledge... However a nice tight thud always sounds nice to me on a Kick Drum, however thats done. Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterbassman Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I have used the AKG D112 on many occasions from studio work to live sound. I have found them to be excellent. Many people on here have said that they sound to clicky and have a very rocky sound, these can b changed by simply angling the mic slightly off access so it isnt pointed directly at the beater head. Simply by moving it around and pointing it in different directions you can acheive a mirage of different sounds to suit all purposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanG Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I'm looking at the Shure SM91 as a distinct possibilityYou can't go wrong with a Beta 91 (which is what I assume you mean, as I think the SM91 is no longer in production). I've only used once myself (with excellent results) but I've heard them in use by other engineers often and they sound great. They also usefully double up as a piano mic too. I can recommend Digital Village if you're looking online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentos Posted January 13, 2004 Author Share Posted January 13, 2004 well we want to mic up the kick drum to give it a little more punch as it gets lost in all the other noise of the band. Sound techs tend to call it a kick drum as when marking up the desk - bass drum would get easily confused with bass guitar - so kick it is. SM91 could well be out of production, I dunno! I borrowed one for a gig (with a different band I play with) last weekend and I liked it, just wanted to know what my other options were. I was particuarly pleased because it didnt need a lot of EQing to sound nice - which is good as there's only a very rudimentary EQ on the PA (all in one box jobby - not exactly top quality but perfect for the pub gig circuit in terms of simplicity, price and size) probably also helped it's a top end new pearl kit but hey. All I need to do now is convince the rest of the band we should be spending band money on a nice big cab for my bass :D hehe And for snare... when I've got the option I normally use a 57, no grille so can get it in a bit nearer, 58s are great for everything though, praise the lord for shure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djbarryblue Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I would use a Akg D112 or an Re20 cant remember who makes them. Baz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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