Monitor Eq

[niall]

A band came into the venue I work at a while back (I've been looking for this picture on my computer for ages), and they had the following Monitor EQ:

 

http://upload.rawxing.org/pics/monitoreq.jpg

 

 

obviously I can see a point to the 3rd, 4th, 7th and 8th (from top) ones, but the other four don't really seem to be serving much purpose, other than turning the mix down by either 6 or 12 dB.

 

Can a more experienced Sound tech shed any light on this? It's been puzzling me for a while!

 

cheers.

 

 

Notes: It was all wedges, no IEMs.

and I'm a lampie, hence the questioning!

[Bobbsy]

Yeah...the sound guy who did this didn't know his job and doesn't deserve the title.

 

Even the ones where you can see an apparent EQ setting are done incorrectly since they appear to start with everything fully cut and raise certain frequencies.

 

Bob

[dunk_1984]

Don't quote me on this and someone more experienced may have a better understanding of graphics than me....

 

but all the sliders but the ones on the far right are down which would imply more bass to the channel, and the ones on the right are still up so the gain shouldn't have changed, well that's my view but again I may be wrong

 

but the fact that they are simply all just down makes no logical sense

[london sound]

Malfunction of gain controls??

 

Ian

[dunk_1984]

someone that didnt know what they were doing?

or a strange set-up

[dave singleton]

I know this may sound stupid but they may well have not been in the mix (i.e. they were bypassed) were they're any other graphic racks? Was the desk digital?

 

Its possible they were reserve racks and someone in the warehouse not understanding sound greatly set the EQ faders right down to the bottom assuming that was 0dB and they were knocked a bit? - A very long shot but possible.

[niall]

it wasn't a digital desk, I remember that much. There was Vox, guitar, Bass, Keys, Drums, a brass section and backing vocals, so I'd assume they were all being used.

[Ben Langfeld]

Are these the behringer digital 2 channel EQs by any chance? I know those can be set so that the top of the faders is 0db, maybe they can also be set so the bottom is 0 or are something similar that can? Unlikely though.

 

Edit: On a second look, these aren't the Behinger ones I was thinking of, but they may be something similar. My money is still on the engineer just not having a clue though.

[london sound]

BSS Opal, far better than Behringer is ever likely to be.

 

Ian

[Ben Langfeld]

Wasn't really suggesting the Behringer's were any good, although I've not actually had to use one. Was merely a possibility.

[charlyfarly]

They are a brace of BSS FCS960's.

 

I wonder if anyone could actually hear the monitors after all that cutting :** laughs out loud **:

[Rob_Beech]

just drive the inputs harder and you'll hear them

but probably have issues on channel 3 around the 5/6k mark etc etc.

 

it really doesn't make any sense to me either. How strange. there is every possibility that they were bypassed. Often I dont need any eq on monitors although its rare I do shows where they need them loud enough to warrant a bit of cut here and there.

 

lets be fair, if the monitors had fed back at each of those frequencies, its time to look at some better monitors, IEM or a visit to the doctor.

 

I DONT see the point of 3 4 7 or 8. With a graphic of that quality there should be no harm in a few db of boost here and there if really required.

Depending on the circuit cutting everything by its maximum level may not be a simple gain reduction anyway, it will likely cause alsorts of issues regarding phase etc.

[The Boogie Man]

"Wasn't really suggesting the Behringer's were any good, although I've not actually had to use one."

 

Root that sounds a bit like "I didn't actually see life of brian because I was told it was blasphemous Behringers do their job well enough :** laughs out loud **: Mines dug me out of a hole few times. Try one.

[StevieR]

Malfunction of gain controls??

 

More like malfunction of operator... :** laughs out loud **:

 

It would appear as if the 'tech' (and I use the term very loosely here..) believed that the unity gain point for each frequency was at the bottom of the fader slide. Surely the band must have been moaning all the way through the gig..???

 

What sort of graphics has this person been using before? These are industry standard units after all - nothing out of the ordinary... Maybe the Fisher Price ones work this way :biggrin:

[Ben Langfeld]

"Wasn't really suggesting the Behringer's were any good, although I've not actually had to use one."

 

Root that sounds a bit like "I didn't actually see life of brian because I was told it was blasphemous Behringers do their job well enough :** laughs out loud **: Mines dug me out of a hole few times. Try one.

 

Sorry, I should have made it clear. I meant I've never had to use the particular unit I was thinking of before, that being the digital 2 channel unit. I've used the analogue EQs regularly and although not perfect, they're still mighty fine for the money. I'm definitely not a Behringer Basher. Quite the contrary.