david.elsbury Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 hehe, I am what? crazy? haha. no no its ok I understand. I don't like giving out personal data in any case. I just don't. but anyway you helped me and since its a rule then ok.Was suggesting you are a troll, trying to make people annoyed at you because you were asking lots of questions that have been asked lots of times before. But it's allright Also, if you can fill in your profile with your location, people can see where you are and perhaps recommend suppliers of equipment near you. Most of the people who post on this forum are from the UK, I am from New Zealand... if I didn't say where I was from, and I asked "where do I hire ... for this weekend" then unless they know where I am, they can't really post anything relavant to me It's not a rule, just makes it a bit easier for everyone else here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Yep. I wasn't suggesting you post your address and phone number! But your general location, what you do esp. in relation to the industry is useful. I can't see how it can do any harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KosmasKosmakos Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 yeah, you 're right. well I think I have filled it in my profile. I mean its the "Location" isn't it? anyway, I am kinda newbie in forums. I found that I should first have done a "search" right? I will look for more informations in here. thank you all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KosmasKosmakos Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6123/51838400jc6.jpg I found this pic on my HDD. Its the FT's 1200 spot. By just looking that you can see that it is a "good style" head. now before someones gets angry and say blablabla like "it does not matter" how beufitul is the head, let me explain. FTs heads are kinda like a copy of Martins. It has been said in the forum. I ve read it :** laughs out loud **: So we keep that. Then is the building matterial. I read that robe used to make them. were they fine then? I dont know. I can find the answer anywere. but what is the differense now? I mean, FT took some people to make moving heads. They MUST have some knowledge, they MUST make them out of iron and plastic. Every head, even the heads of the BEST company (whoever might be) is made out of iron plastic and whatever else. In the pic, it seems really well made. So what we only maybe need to see is the how the optics are. Now, I am not experiensed and I can not find any store in Greece having FTs. If anyone please has or can find from a friend or something any photos or videos from FTs heads in action and even better some experiense on the heads I would be thankfull. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I thought it had been made clear that all moving lights go wrong. The important thing is whether you can get spares/support for them when they do. That's the difference. With regard to your concerns about making sure all your fixtures do work (independent of manufacturer) I think maybe a sensible move is to allow for a spare or two in your budget. If necessary just use two less units in the rig. Maybe there's a good enough video out there with other fixtures so you can compare. I'm doubtful. But if it were my money there's no way I would spend it based on a video or a picture. I'm still confused that you are continuing to assume you can't afford anything else. Have you tried contacting people overseas for export to find out what options you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KosmasKosmakos Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I thought it had been made clear that all moving lights go wrong. The important thing is whether you can get spares/support for them when they do. That's the difference. With regard to your concerns about making sure all your fixtures do work (independent of manufacturer) I think maybe a sensible move is to allow for a spare or two in your budget. If necessary just use two less units in the rig. Maybe there's a good enough video out there with other fixtures so you can compare. I'm doubtful. But if it were my money there's no way I would spend it based on a video or a picture. I'm still confused that you are continuing to assume you can't afford anything else. Have you tried contacting people overseas for export to find out what options you have? I don't really care about support. I mean official support. I know some people here in athens that worked with moving heads, and they know how to fix a problem in a moving head. I have read in the forums from someone (I dont remember who he was) he could find FTs parts really easy. I am saying that I can not afford anything else cause the budget says so. I mean there is about 300.000 for lighting, and xxx.xxx for trussing, sound etc (with the store and all the transport I need). A video or a photo of a working moving head would be just a prove about how it looks on a non set up condition (because on the photo above its a set up condition) am I wrong on that? Thanks for replying :** laughs out loud **: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think a video will just look like any other video with a moving head waggling around. It's your money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KosmasKosmakos Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 can I please ask one more thing? can you explain the difference between spot and wash? I mean NOT the technical side. I know what spot has more than wash. I know that wash has "an open eye". But, do I use wash maybe "to color the stage" ? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HobitLight Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 can you explain the difference between spot and wash?Basically a wash does what it says: it washes the stage with a (fairly) large pool of light. Washes also usually (in fact, I having seen one with out) a colour mixing system (usually CMY which uses subtractive colour mixing) so that you can fade from one colour to another and also so you can get the exact shade that you want. Spots (or profiles), on the other hand, have generally a smaller beam angle and have gobos to create patterns or to project images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedd Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Spares are most definately a good idea! We've just done a show with 27 movers, most of which were 575 tourwashes and tourspots. We always hire one more of each than we need, and boy did we need them (and more!). Lots of problems with them, couple of indexing magnets missing and we used all of our spares and then some! They do go wrong, normally at the worst possible time and in the most inacessible location (like a flown bar that now has a flat underneath it). Being able to wheel a spare out rather than start stripping down is so important. And for my 2p worth, I bought a very basic phs200 futurelight spot for a school. Very pleased with it on the whole. For a £500 spot it performed very well. Rotating gobo's and dimmer (of sorts). The dimmer was by shutter and was a little notchy, but what can you expect for £500? I have also worked with the Robe 575 spots and washes. Very reliable in our experience. Still, in a rig of 25 - 30, there would always be one that would cause a few problems. I think it's just the nature of using moving heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KosmasKosmakos Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Spares are most definately a good idea! We've just done a show with 27 movers, most of which were 575 tourwashes and tourspots. We always hire one more of each than we need, and boy did we need them (and more!). Lots of problems with them, couple of indexing magnets missing and we used all of our spares and then some! what brand were they? Martin? :** laughs out loud **: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 575 tourwashes and tourspotsAC Lighting (DTS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooly Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Hello, I'm not sure know what type of venue you are running, but I have 12x PHS-710 and 12x PHW-710 here at a events/party venue. We've only had them for just under a year, but they have been relatively trouble so far. A couple of dead power supplies right at the beginning, but that could have something to do with our high 246-250v supply voltage. The only other issue we have come across is the fuse for the pan/tilt/fans 12V power supply has failed in most of the wash units. Once replaced with a new fuse of the same rating, no more problems, so guess it could be a faulty batch. An interesting feature of them is they pull more current with the lamp off rather than struck. This is due to place of the PF cap in the lamp circut, (ie before the lamp relay). We have rewire this in a couple of units, and it doesn't effect the running of the fixtures at all. So I don't really know why they have done this! The stock gobos are a bit rubbish, but that is easy solved! And they are great if you are changing gobos often as they have a tray loading system similar to Vls. The spots are probably closer to the macs, but it would be nice to have a problem zoom lens system instead of the 3 fixed zoom lenses they have. The washes are not so good, probably closer to a Mac 250wash rather than a 600! In short you can pick them up with lamp for less than 1k each, which if your not doing hardcore touring or theater with them, they will suit fine! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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