Some Ideas...

[BlueShift]

For such a tiny space - I would be going point source.

 

Anyways, even for a rocky show - you dont need anything like 4 Q1's a side to get a sensible dBa level - if you wanted to go nuts you could use some Ci60's (E9's dont exist any more - except in older hire stocks! :D ) but thats probably plenty.

 

You could get 1-2 C-subs, 2 ci6 (for main space) and 1 ci80 for each level of side seating. If everyone absolutely needs stereo then chuck 2xCi80's (or maybe just E0's) for each side seating area. Even give them a E12 sub if you like for added bass weight.

 

Mix the whole thing on a Yamaha LS9 - put the band on in-ears and chuck in a couple of E3's for stage fill. Thats more than enough!

[lifeisacabaret]

The 4 Q1's would be to do with the rake of the seating and to get enough SPL to the rear seating as well as the front seating.

 

The band would be on the Venue's PQ system, as would the booth singers. The cast would have 4 flown E3's for foldback.

[rob.d]

For such a tiny space - I would be going point source.

 

Anyways, even for a rocky show - you dont need anything like 4 Q1's a side to get a sensible dBa level - if you wanted to go nuts you could use some Ci60's (E9's dont exist any more - except in older hire stocks! :D ) but thats probably plenty.

 

You could get 1-2 C-subs, 2 ci6 (for main space) and 1 ci80 for each level of side seating. If everyone absolutely needs stereo then chuck 2xCi80's (or maybe just E0's) for each side seating area. Even give them a E12 sub if you like for added bass weight.

 

Mix the whole thing on a Yamaha LS9 - put the band on in-ears and chuck in a couple of E3's for stage fill. Thats more than enough!

 

Does everyone here use d&b and d&b only? Whys that? I've never heard any of it and the specs dont look *that* impressive...

 

Sorry if this is a little off topic, but theres barely anything else getting a mention here...

[lifeisacabaret]

Very good pedigree in theatre, excellent quality audio, lots of very good speakers for virtually every application.

 

 

Ps- if youve seen a musical in the last 5 years youve probably heard at least some type of D&B in the system, possibly lots.

[rob.d]

Very good pedigree in theatre, excellent quality audio, lots of very good speakers for virtually every application.

 

 

Ps- if youve seen a musical in the last 5 years youve probably heard at least some type of D&B in the system, possibly lots.

 

I havent been to a theatre show of any kind for probably 10 years or more- and the last two were with school watching various bits of shakespeare (Romeo and Juliet and The Merchant of Venice, if your interested). No idea now even of the venues, never mind the sound systems!

 

I suppose I come from the live band side of things- in local venues its typically dated and relatively cheap but big junk gear, and then I've seen Nexo and EV line array at Glastonbury. I'm also more familiar with KV2 (who do an EPAK rather than an EPAC), Turbo, JBL, and, as you may have guessed from the avatar, RCF systems.

 

Not sure I'm keen on the d&b layout- it smacks of the old Bose way- "buy our speakers, but to make them sound right youve got to use our DSP and/or amps". Now, I'm sure it works, if you ever get to hear a stack of 802's over a stack of 502B's, it'll knock your socks clean off, but to me it means your more limited to buying a full system in a big wedge, rather than progressively building an ever improving one over time, as finances allow. It may well sound fantastic but it certainly puts it out of my league, and I guess most schools, some theatres and lots of venues would shirk at that.

 

Anyway, back to the matter at hand...

[lifeisacabaret]

D&B has acquired the same pedigree in theatre as Meyer has....the F1222 seems the equivalent of the UPA-1P....both products eminently suited to theatre. Theres just something that makes D&B and Meyer very theatre friendly.

 

Newcomers like the Opus PSD800T also seem to be gaining ground lately (primarily through Mike Walker's designs and several high-profile installations).

[Chris Hinds]

The rock band being 'silent' only has to be amplified to the level you require. I've done full acoustic bands amplified against 20 cast members unamplified and still measured up without a problem, albeit in a larger venue usually. Cast members will willingly project more if they feel they are being drowned by the band. Give them mics and all too often many will assume they don't need to project as much because they have a mic. Less is more I guess is what I'm getting at

 

Regards

 

Chris

[Pete McCrea]

d&b = Efficiency. Might be low wattage on the boxes, but the dB per watt ratio is high, meaning they go as loud as higher powered boxes, but need less watts to get there. Plus they have a good open sound that a lot of people like and feel is a good base for working from.

[cknapper]

Does everyone here use d&b and d&b only? Whys that? I've never heard any of it and the specs dont look *that* impressive...

Hi I work at the Crewe Lyceum where all our speakers are d&b

 

2 x C7 Subs

2 x C6 for stalls

2 x C6for Circle

2 x E9 for Gallery

4 x E3 for front fills

2 x C6 for Fold back

All this Run from d&b D-12 amps routed to the Lappy.

 

This Rig sounds Fab and most one Nights use our Circle, Gallery & Front Fills and just put 2x2 in for Stalls.

 

Ok I laired we have 4 Martin ML4000 for Monitors

 

 

Carlos

[Furryface]

On a more serious note, get a Turbo TQ415DP each side, stick em to a wall rather than fly them, and chuck in a sub for tub thumping impact. Very direct sounding boxes, with a horn loaded 6" mid driver which will reproduce speech very nicely and give it a nice throw too. Theyre self powered too, and therefore difficult to over drive.

 

 

Think that you mean the TQ-445DP. A three-way (12", 6.5", 1") bi-amped cab about the size of a UPA-1 but much, much more potent. Used it on several theatre shows, rock and roll shows and for conferences. Never let me down yet.

 

I agree with an earlier poster that a venue that size probably won't benefit from a line array, and using one big enough to give you the R n R sound you are after would be visually obtrusive. Depending on the angle and depth of the seating you could probably get away with flying one or two TQ-445s per side, with a TQ-425DP sub per side groundstacked with a little fron fill if required. Feet up, job done. :D

 

Just my experience.

 

Furry

[rob.d]

On a more serious note, get a Turbo TQ415DP each side, stick em to a wall rather than fly them, and chuck in a sub for tub thumping impact. Very direct sounding boxes, with a horn loaded 6" mid driver which will reproduce speech very nicely and give it a nice throw too. Theyre self powered too, and therefore difficult to over drive.

 

 

Think that you mean the TQ-445DP. A three-way (12", 6.5", 1") bi-amped cab about the size of a UPA-1 but much, much more potent. Used it on several theatre shows, rock and roll shows and for conferences. Never let me down yet.

 

Furry

 

Your absolutely right :) Turbo's product codes sometimes depart from rhyme or reason, and I'm a drummer, thus easily baffled.

 

I'd still go with wall mounting though- Turbo do a nice little wall bracket and its got to be less hassle than flying a rig.

[lifeisacabaret]

I'm considering flying a Tannoy V300 either side with 2 3836 open drivers attached to the inner edge of the flying frame thus having three stereo systems- band (V300's) and Vox A (3836) Vox B (3836). At each flying point (if they were available) it would therefore be a V300 and 2 3836's. For subs I'd have one VS18DR per side.

[lifeisacabaret]

Sound like a good idea? Can anyone forsee any problems with this arrangement?

 

Cheers guys.

 

What would be the reccommended front fills to accompany that system?

[andy_s]

I'd go with a Q series ground stacked Qsub and 2 Q1s a side - lots of power for a small footprint system. I've seen this demo'd in a venue where line arrays would not usually be recommended (i.e. steeply raked seats, not very deep auditorium) and heard very consistent SPLs front - to - back.