Training?

[Wilko]

hey guys how is everyone?

 

just doing some research into riggint training, and to be honest im finding it quite hard to find any courses companies that I can get in contact with for said training ,

 

ive done rigging in theatre's many times and have always stuck to the regulations/SWL's like glue, but I thought that it may be time for me to get a qaulification for what im doing! :(

 

so I was wondering if you guys knew of any official training and or companies that I can get in contact with for the training?

 

thanks in advance, Wilko :P

[AndyJones]

At present there is no "qualification" in rigging,this is all to change with health and safety standards in the near future. search on the Internet for the total fabrications rigging course. its a three day course, costs 300 or 500 pounds, covers rigging and working at height.

 

if you can get an employee to sponsor you through it. It's what I did!

 

hope this helps

 

cheers

 

AndyJones

[Seano]

so I was wondering if you guys knew of any official training and or companies that I can get in contact with for the training?

 

Hi Wilko,

 

Here are a couple of links for you:

http://www.safeworking.com/

http://www.totalsolutions-group.co.uk/training.htm

 

Regarding that second one, you could pm Chris Higgs about it. (Or its entirely possible he'll pop up and reply in this thread anyway.)

 

If you use Loadstar motors, this is also worth a look:

http://www.liftturnmove.co.uk/training.html

- if its anything like the PCM motor school used to be, it'll be excellent

 

Also, this might interest you:

http://www.blue-room.org.uk/index.php?showtopic=11017

There's a formal qualification in the pipeline for our industry, something that has never existed before. If you're just starting out now, the chances are this will be relevant to you at some point in the not too distant future.

 

hth

Sean

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[Wilko]

Cheers guy's

 

Those link's were really helpful seano, apart from the last one which appears to be broken! ** laughs out loud **, on the topic of loadstar's yes I do so that course looks really good and I think I may undertake it!

 

Is there really no qualification? that amazes me as what we do can have some serious consequences if it goes wrong, and you're always hearing horror stories of events that havent been rigged well, and the consequences are quite dire in certain cases.

 

Does anyone know anymore about this qualification thats coming along? will it be coming in soon or will we be waiting a while?

as if its coming in soon I thik I'll hold off and wait till it comes in before I waste money on training which will ( I assume ) become irrelevent.

 

One more thing, I amazed also that the HSE nazi's haven't exactly been on the ball with making our lifes hell!!

 

what do you guy's think of this qualification coming in? personally I support it as it will go along way to cutting out the cowboy's and hopefully stop shoddy rigging on a whole.

 

(p.s sorry this turned into a rant!)

(p.s.s if theres any spelling mistakes, I couldn't get the spell check to work, sorry!!)

wilko.

[Sim]

Anybody got and rigging links like about for us aussies (prefrably in brisbane )

[AndyJones]

http://www.moreskills.com.au/Courses/Riggi...35/Default.aspx

 

done!

 

the qualification will be brilliant! will definatly make my life easier.

[trussmonkey]

There will be a rigging qualification soon. The National Rigging Cert which is being developed by Chriss Higgs ( with some other notable riggers) as we speak. It will be a tiered qualification but Chris can tell you more or you could look on the Plasa web site or try searching the BR for more info. I seem to mremember a posting about it.

 

TM

[Seano]

Those link's were really helpful seano, apart from the last one which appears to be broken! ** laughs out loud **, on the topic of loadstar's yes I do so that course looks really good and I think I may undertake it!

Odd about that link, here's another:

http://www.plasa.org/rigging/

http://www.plasa.org/rigging/updatebulletin.asp

 

Is there really no qualification? that amazes me as what we do can have some serious consequences if it goes wrong, and you're always hearing horror stories of events that havent been rigged well, and the consequences are quite dire in certain cases.

 

I hear very few horror stories, and compared to other industries we've had very few accidents in the past. Don't think that because there hasn't been a formal qualification that there are a lot of people out there rigging who don't know what they're doing, there are not.

The existence of a certification scheme is very unlikely to do away with bad practice, in as far as it exists, that isn't primarily what the scheme is for, anyway.

 

Does anyone know anymore about this qualification thats coming along? will it be coming in soon or will we be waiting a while?

as if its coming in soon I thik I'll hold off and wait till it comes in before I waste money on training which will ( I assume ) become irrelevent.

 

Training and experience will never be irrelevant.

 

The two training companies I posted links to are both involved in the scheme, their trainers are (among others) members of the advisory committee and will be assessors once the scheme is up and running.

 

One more thing, I amazed also that the HSE nazi's haven't exactly been on the ball with making our lifes hell!!

Without rising to the bait: One of the reasons for the scheme being put into place is that if we (our industry) don't do it, chances are someone else will.

If something gets imposed on us from without, chances are it isn't going to be a good fit - like theatre LX staff being asked to qualify as house-bashers.

 

what do you guy's think of this qualification coming in? personally I support it as it will go along way to cutting out the cowboy's and hopefully stop shoddy rigging on a whole.

I was quite cynical about it at first, but having talked to some of the advisory group and a number of the assessors, I'm becoming much less so.

 

You might want to get some experience in the industry before you start talking about "shoddy rigging" and "cowboys".

 

Sean

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[Wilko]

First of all I'd like to apologise seano, I'm sorry if it came across as me saying that I'm the best rigger around, or that Ive been doing it for eons, I wasn't. sorry!

 

And maybe the people that I'm hearing from are talking rubbish, but I have heard quite a few horror stories, just what Ive been told, not necessarily my opinion!

 

And again with the shoddy rigging, this is coming from someone who has got a good amount of experience so I trust his word as far as it goes. again what Ive been told and taught not necessarily my opinion.

 

so overall I'm sorry if it came across the wrong way.

 

yours sincerely wilko. :D

[Ken Coker]

One more thing, I amazed also that the HSE nazi's haven't exactly been on the ball with making our lifes hell!!

 

Oh yes............The Health and Safety Nazis...going around making our lives hell.

 

 

Ken

[johnhuson]

Oh yes............The Health and Safety Nazis...going around making our lives hell.

 

 

Ken

 

Interesting article, just goes to show you never know who's watching you!

[Silver_Rayne]

I think people put too much stock into 'horror' stories about muppets and so on. What you need to remember is how much good work and best practise that is put in every day by 99.5% of technicians everywhere. Numpties don't last too long anywhere.

[flypig]

As a fully qualified and licensed Class 1 rigger, and Occupational Health & Safety manager here in Australia I applaud the 'Safety Nazi's' actions in the case mentioned.

 

More people are killed or injured in work place accidents then are killed or injured in road accidents every year.

 

Safe work practise's are everyone's responsibility and must be taken seriously. A mobile phone or cutters dropped from height will do some fairly serious lasting damage when they finally come into contact with unyielding skin and bone.

 

Take safety on board, it's your responsibility.

 

Work safe and stay safe.

[Seano]

More people are killed or injured in work place accidents then are killed or injured in road accidents every year.

 

I don't know about Oz, but here in the UK you're wrong about that by an order of magnitude. Hundreds of people die as a result of workplace accidents each year, thousands die in road accidents.

 

I'd be interested to see what you base that statement on, care to post a link? Here are mine:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_...tats_038554.pdf

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/overall/hssh0405.pdf

 

(Both pdf files, but not particularly big ones - not too big a download even on dialup.)

 

Sean

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