janie Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Hi,Does anyone know much about patt 23's? I'm specifically interested in whether they can be used with gobos, and if so how successful people have found it. I'm designing lighting for a show with a limited number of lights and am trying to do the best with the theatre lantern stock. Any help would be greatly appreciated!Thanks,Janie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 http://www.strandarchive.co.uk/lanterns/p23.html They are ok but not particually good on having a SHARP image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 According to an old DHA list which I've just dug out, they take either a GH08 (B size) or GH33 (M size) holder. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Be Careful though Early Mk1 Patt 23s can't take a gh08 holder. James (Who discovered this the hard way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr techie Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 As people have said they can be used with gobos and quite successfully.I'd have to agree with 'the kid' there not good with text gobos because they don't go sharp enough, also if there old and quite knackered then make sure you use the gobos in the ones with decent shutters (some Ive used are that bad the shutters don't want to open fully, nothing a good clean wont fix like ) HTH Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Just thinking about the ones we are using make sure the lenses have got chains on them to stop them falling out. Text is a no no but break ups should be quite happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 They are quite handy as breakup lights, rather than a "proper" gobo and gobo holder a bit of aluminium sheet cut to fit with holes drilled in it is a very low cost and workable solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktaylor Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Not used one for gobos for years, but they were used all the time for the purpose, I have dozens of holders I picked up at a sale a few years ago! Must have been stupid, but I recall it was a job lot with A size which I use a lot of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac.calder Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 As mentioned above, they are a no-go for defined gobos and an ok for breakups - in fact the lower quality optics (and often lower light output) make them my prefered fitting for breakups, if I have Patt 23's and am short on lanterns. That said, if I had access to enough lanterns that I could do it without touching the 23's, chances are I would avoid them like the plague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam FitzG Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Afternoon,Use the M size if possible. With B size you will loose the outer edge of the gobo, as the gat is smaller that the 86 mm of the B size. Then again... with a breakup this may not matter to you; it depends on the pattern. Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corfey Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Does any know if they would work well with cloud or night sky type gobos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
si_cole Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Clouds are no problem and come up rather well (especially the larger ones), I tend to put them slightly out of focus to get that diffused effect. What do you mean by night sky type gobos? Stars? Moon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 If you mean stars, just remember that such a gobo is going to let hardly any of the available light through the little pin-prick holes - and there's not exactly a lot of light coming out of a P23 in the first place ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranger Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Pat 23's are pretty much the voltzwagen beatle of lighting. Two things to remember, there are a couple of different versions, with differeing gate shapes and the older ones don't have shutters. Also something I only learnt recently; you can take the lens tube off, turn the lens around and put another one from a another lantern in and make the beam angle wider. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNVS2 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Patt 23. Fredrick Bentham would turn in his grave if he heard this talk! They are the best designed lamp I have ever come across in my 20 years + of being in the business. ETC have kind of plageurised it with the source 4. (actually source 6) Clean the reflectors and optics, and spray the inside of the lens-tube black, then make sure the lamp is aligned properly, for a flat fieldUse a donut, if the image is still poor. Have your lamps been converted to T26? or are you still on T1's?Stick to the T1, if you can still get hold of them. There were 4 types of lenses originally made for this profile.Patt 23 N, comes in a cone-shaped lens tube. about 8 degree. source 4 par frame fits....19 degree26 degreeAnd a fresnel lens, very rare, but still available. Source 4... Spot the similarity! no pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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