dfinn Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Hi Peeps, I havent posted on here for a while but I have been viewing. Ive got another band night coming up this Friday and I need a couple of guestions answering. I have seen very briefly our new set of drum mics <_< , I no they are audio technica and are in a bright blue case. I cant find any info on the internet about them though. Does anyone know anything about them. I apoligise for the vagueness ** laughs out loud **. secondly will C1000s's be ok for guitar amp pickup and also to mic up an acoustic guitar? For the monitor mix I'm going to stick with mainly vocals as much as possible, they should be able to here the guitars from their own backline. Might put a bit of backline through the drummers wedge though. We have 4 wedges, 2 active and 2 passive which we pair up on 2 channels. would it be best pair up the bassists and drummers wedges and then the lead vox and guitar's wedges on the other? Thanks and I'm gonna try and get some pics if I remember to take my cam. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I have seen very briefly our new set of drum mics <_< , I no they are audio technica and are in a bright blue case. I cant find any info on the internet about them though. Does anyone know anything about them. I apoligise for the vagueness ** laughs out loud **. AT do a "kitpack drums" or "kp-drums" - 4 budget dynamic mics, with integral stand mounts. 2 labelled "snare/tom", 2 labelled "kick/tom". More info HERE. But they come in a black case. I actually once had a set, but never had the need to use them. It was an unwanted competition prize, which sat in the cupboard for a year, then went on Ebay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 The only AT kit of drum mics I've seen is the set that bruce mentions. I've used them a few times and the best I can say is that they're not completely useless..but there are certainly a lot better out there. If you're going to change anything, I'd use a different mic on the kick...I was never happy with the sound from their "kick/tom" combination. As for the C1000 on electric guitar or acoustic, I've never been a fan of this mic at all. It has a mid range presence lift which makes it (at least to my ears) quite harsh so I'd think a guitar amp would be the last place I'd want to put it. The results could be quite ear splitting! You might get away with it on the acoustic guitar but I'm not a fan even there. However, sometimes you have to use what you have! I can't really comment on the monitoring situation...it depends on the stage set up and "who has to hear who". Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfinn Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Okdoke thanks for the feedback, I'm gonna have a think. Yeh I'm just trying to work with what ive got ** laughs out loud **. The mics Ive got available to me are. 3x audiotechnica dynamic/ vocal mics2x voco pro dynamic/ vocal mics3x C1000's1x drum mic set1x AT pro series PRO 25ax hypercardioid dynamic mic1x other AKG mic that looks like a D3700 but dont hold me to that I need to mic up the following: Max 3 vocalsmax 3 guitar amps, 2 elecric, 1 bass1 drum kitpossible 1 acoustic Cheers Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Si Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 May I suggest Active DI Boxes for the Acoustic and the Bass? The Pro25 is probably the best choice for the Kick out of what you have there. (Though I have know professional use a c1000 on the kick before because it gave the best results). Erm. the 3x Audiotechnica vocal mics for vox Erm. voco pro mics on the 2x electrics perhaps? c1000 on hihat, depending on size of hall, you could use the other 2 for overheads and the other dynamics on the snare and toms. Also, relating to the size of the hall, what is the size? does everything need to have a microphone stuck in front of it? Alot of drummers and guitar amps at schools tend to be played very loudly regardless of trying to turn things down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfinn Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Hi, Room is a 250 seat hall. Im probs gonna use the drum mic set for the drums for obvious reasons and play around with the c1000's and dynamics to see what works best. I will have a look around to see if music has a D.I. box as we dont have any. Im trying not to hire if I can because its a charity gig. Thanks, Daniel Oops just looked back at the list. I forgot to put the drum mic set on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Si Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Get them to buy some for the school as they'll always have use for them. Behringer UltraDI 1000s are about £30 or something.It would suprise me if they didn't have any though, being a school doing productions etc. The drum mics would best be used for snare and 3x toms. Oh and you don't need to use all of the mics you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleO Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 IMHO the C1000 works perfectly for the electric guitar. I used an SM57 in front of one guitarist's Marshal, and EQ'd it at soundcheck. C1000 in front of the Laney for the other guitar, and set the EQ to match the first one as a starting point. Soundchecked and the EQ for the C1000 fell in to the centre notches and I ran it flat. (I wish I started flat as normal!) The talent strolled out front playing, to check, and he agreed it was right. So yes C1000s's will be ok for guitar amp pickup, but adjusting the mic placement is important. A centimetre or two forward/back and off-axis towards the edge of the cone makes a big difference. DI the acoustic guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkPAman Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I can't add much to what Mr.Si said, except that if you can find out what the bass amp will be it may have a balanced DI output built in. I prefer to have a box but if you don't have one. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfinn Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Hi guys, Thanks, I'm gonna use the C1000's on guitar amps now. I'll have a rummage tomorrow to see what the music dept's got with regards to D.I. boxes. Thanks, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 FWIW, be very very sure that you don't stick phantom up the back of a guitar/bass amp with an internal DI. They can get extremly unhappy! Some desks have phantom power globally switched, so the way you get around this is by using a mic cable or a M-F barrel adaptor with pin 1 lifted. Thus the signal gets through but the phantom is blocked. David(who suspects he's recently blown up a mates bass amp.... :) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfinn Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 nah our desk is a GL2200 so has individual phantom switches for each channel. Don't tempt me to wreck some of these peoples amps, you no how it is with bands ** laughs out loud **. Hmm hehehe ** laughs out loud ** Thanks, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxcharliexx Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I agree with Mr.Si that D.I. boxes would be better use for the bass guitar and acoustic. At college we luckily have a bass amp with a built in D.I. but we always use without hesitation D.I. boxes for the acoustic guitars at college gigs they are handy to have around the place :) Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfinn Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Hi peeps, guess what, found a D.I. box! it's this one: http://www.behringer.com/MIC200/index.cfm?lang=ENG I can now D.I. the bass guitar but still link it in to the bass amp due to it having two outputs. I will make sure phantom is turned off. Also I found out what that extra AKG mic was: http://www.akg.com/products/powerslave,myn...anguage,EN.html This looks like quite a nice mic, should I use this for lead vocals instead of the AT? The drum mic set has 2 overheads, a kick and a snare mic so I'm happy. Thanks, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Si Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Nah you can use phantom for that Daniel, because that is different to using the DI out of the amplifier. It is best to power such a device from phantom power rather than a stray wall-wart or a battery (battery would be second option if it accepts one for use as a power source). However, that is a pre-amp, not a DI box. Similar but not quite the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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