Olliedem-c Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Hi All, The picture below is my place of work, the nasty old gun barrell lighting bars have been replaced with box trussing, looks tasty now. I am looking at installing a pa system. The pic was taken from the Gallery, where the mulit core meets the sound desk.. A complete system has to be installed and I'm looking for ideas.. Searched thomann, music store, local stores and nationwide stores (ireland) and have got various prices ideas etc. ect.I am also taking into account there is a gallery downstairs, and its quite common to have sound requirments there, so I'm thinking of a portable system, but the prospect of hanging a line array system also works for me!! http://www.laminatemusic.com/images/Arts-Centre.jpg The venue seats 112 people, and I am thinking no less than a 24track mixer, graphic, efx rack, power amps, crossover and a 3 way monitor mix. In an ideal world, what would you install? and if on a budget how would that idea change?ideas people!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 I'd not worry about a line array. Two reasons, firstly the main benefit of a line array is concentrating a soundfield by allowing width, but preventing the spread upwards and downwards. Great when the audience is a long way away - as in mega gigs. The other problem is that for a line array to work, you need a number of drivers in a vertical column - they would have to hang down too far. The pic looks like the height is about 3 and a bit metres? a 2m line array drop would be walked into! It looks like Metro deck you have and less than 100 seats - so your idea of portable does make sense. There are plenty of decent cabinets out there that also have mounts that can hang from the grid - what budget do you have? a grand? 5 grand? makes a big difference. The other question is what will you be using it for? As in type of material to go through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliedem-c Posted March 4, 2006 Author Share Posted March 4, 2006 There are seats out of view, 112 in total, the truss actually hangs over the first two rows, so it would have to be flown from the sides. Theatre, as well as acts, full bands as well as quiet acoustic shows, poetry readings, also speakers etc, its a multi disciplinary venue!Dont know the budget, 2-5 grand (euro) seems to be reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Lots of people will disagree, but I rather like the Tannoy V12's Smallish, decent volume, especially the HP version - flyable and plenty of hardware bits and pieces for mounting. They array quite nicely, and a couple will set you back about £1300 plus the brackets. I like the sound, they are pretty bomb proof, and the design lets you do lots with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueShift Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 As paulears says, a lot of this is to do with budget. I personally think a d&b e3 system might work quite well (maybe with a e12 sub if you ever need some bass). Thats really the top of the line though for this kind of space and would set you back around 3k for speakers and amps, not to mention everything else. Moving down the scale to cheaper stuff, the tannoys are definately worth a look, as are some of EV's lower end stuff.Desk wise id be aiming for something along the lines of an A&H GL series, along with some dbx compressors and EQ's.There are a million and one FX boxes around - I personally like the TC M-One and its only around 300. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljstevens Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Have a look at the HK audio stuff, the actor and elias would do what you want. plus its powered so no amps to worry about! http://www.hkaudio.com/Portable/Active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_s Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 I'd give a vote for the Tannoys - I heard them used for a couple of acoustic guitars and a female singer, and they had a nice clean punchy sound. We've got a studio full of E3's and E12s, and they are pretty good, but probably outside your budget - E3 plus epac coming in at around £1200 per box? so 2 plus an E12 (or even 2 E12s) plus your 3 monitor cabs would take up all your top end budget. I'd think the A&H GL is probably also outside your budget if you have to pay for speakers, amps, processing, cabling etc as well. (depending on whether you go for a 4 bus or 8 bus version) If there is more money available, I'd recommend the mackie TT24 - 24 analogue channels, decent matrix, processing built in (though I'm told by our current composer that the reverb isn't very exciting), - very simple to use, should be about £5000 ish. If you can get away with less channels, I'd thoroughly recommend the A&H mixwizard series - you could get one of these for less than a grand (stirling), and they are nice and compact without suffering from the miniaturisation that some desks in the lower price brackets seem to go in for. I think they do a 12 into 2 for simple live work, (with built in effects) we've got a 14-4-2, which has 10 mic/line ins and 2 stereo pairs for line in, 4 groups, and plenty of auxiliaries (for a small desk) just looked at the A&H website - the 12-2 would be no good as it's 8 mic/line and 2 stereo line-ins, but they do a 16-2, which is 16 mic/line ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliedem-c Posted March 5, 2006 Author Share Posted March 5, 2006 Cheers for the ideas, keep them coming.. There will be full rock bands there also, so its important for me to cater for them, not necessarily loud but full sounding, and not killed with an acoustic snare and cymbals. The mix wizard is a runner I'd say, for budget and space reasons!.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
char-p Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 The MixWiz is definately a workable solution, I have used one on many occasions, but the on-board fx are not much to shout about. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehousejamie Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Have a look at the Basys system from Void Acoustics (www.voidaudio.com). Very nice for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliedem-c Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 Tried out the basys system yesterday, very small, super sound, thanks for the info, very impressed by the overall quality. a hot contender I'd say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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