grantr22

Any insight on my original question would be gratefully received 🙂

9 hours ago, Stuart91 said:

I've noticed Yamaha MC7cl desks going for remarkably little money second-hand. They've got built-in Ethersound ports, so an upgrade might end up costing you less money than a pair of cards for your LS9 and eliminates some of the faff with head amp configuration?

Thanks @Stuart91 though I'm already invested in LS9 which is perfect for my needs, M7 is just too big and unnecessary for what I do.

Hi all,

In a Yamaha LS9-32 desk, a Yamaha-branded MY16-ES64 card in one of the slots adds 16 ins and 8 outs via Ethersound and a single SB168 stage box.

Adding a Yamaha-branded MY16-EX card in the other slot adds a further 16 ins and 8 outs, to be used via a second SB168 stage box in the same Ethersound network.

The two cards need to be connected together (externally) with with short cat5 / RJ-45 cables (a pest).

Finally, third-party Auvitran 'AVS Monitor' software on a laptop needs to be connected to the ES card temporarily, to configure the head amps (a pain).

We now have a 64 in and 32 out setup.

In an LS9-16 desk, which has only 1 expansion slot, the MY16-ES64 card simply adds 16 ins and 8 outs via Ethersound from a single SB168 stage box. The setup becomes 32+16 in total.

In this configuration in the smaller desk, the 2x RJ45 sockets on the ES card for linking to an EX card for a further 16+8, are redundant.

My question is, does the (somewhat cheaper) Auvitran-branded AVY16-ES card (without the 2x RJ-45 connectors) give the same end result as a Yamaha MY16-ES64, in adding 16 ins and 8 outs via Ethersound and a single SB168 stage box?

Are there any downsides in comparison, e.g. in head amp control and audio quality?

https://www.yamahamusiclondon.com/MY16-ES64-16-Channel-EtherSound-Network-Interface-Card/pidCMY16ES64

https://www.yamahamusiclondon.com/MY16-EX-16-Channel-EtherSound-MADI-Expansion-Card-for-the-MY16-ES64-and-MY16-MD64/pidCMY16EX

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/yamaha-auvitran-avy-16-es-ethersound-1837331119

All info and advice would be appreciated, many thanks. 

Thanks Dave, they're very well priced! 

What do they sound like? 

Thanks cedd, certainly fits the description as you say. Annoyingly they're only allowing one unit of the Sennheiser plug type per customer at the moment, I'll have to keep checking back. 

On 10/30/2019 at 9:07 AM, Pete Alcock said:

Hi Ollie,

 

I've been hiring radiomic systems and (reluctantly) headsets to schools for years, and have bought just about every type and style available. I've been through all the CPC ones, Proel etc. and the same fate has met them all - the tiny screws get lost, the boom wires get all bent out of shape, the little plastic tips on the earhooks go missing (rendering them positively dangerous!) and the cables fail. It's impossible to recharge all this breakage to schools and I'd all but given up offering them until I found these:

 

Specific Headset Mic

 

They are absolutely the best for a few reasons:

 

The mic boom is a bendy gooseneck. It's not the most discrete, but anyone sat more than a few rows back won't see it. Key thing is they can't break!

The Earhooks are soft mouldings and won't get lost.

The capsule is decent quality and sounds fine. It's no DPA, but a touch of eq and it won't disgrace any amateur or school theatre production.

The cable seems tough and resilient and if it does get yanked out of the plug is easy to re-solder.

 

So, that's my recommendation. Since I've gone over to these, I've seen a dramatic decrease in the number of non-working returns off hire. I'm gradually replacing my entire headset stock with them.

 

Trust this helps,

 

Pete.

Hi Pete, I'd be grateful if you could please post a current link or the make and model of the head mics you recommend, cheers 

Grant

Old thread but I had this same problem recently, and thanks to the above I didn't spend ages looking for something which isn't there!

I use an LS9 32 quite often so it was a scratch head moment when I needed to use matrices on the 16 for the first time. I always use the ipad app with an ls9 (I find it more of an essential than optional) so I used this to adjust matrix levels.

But lack of easy adjustment on the console is yet another "feature" which yamaha could have dealt with better in design, like the many niggles which could have been improved or resolved by a firmware update.

I still like the desk overall but I'm sure many would agree a little more thought from Yamaha would have gone a long way..