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On Facebook, Tui are looking for overseas resort technicians - but UK passport holders are not acceptable. Considering a large majority of their customers are Brits, there is a double standard here.

 

Hi all, we are currently looking for technicians for our upcoming Summer contract for TUI Blue and TUI Gold concepts in various European destinations. We are looking for NON-UK passport holders only on this occasion. If you are interested in finding out more please feel free to email me at xxxxxxxxxxxx

Many thanks and stay safe!!!

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That seems weird. I could see if they wanted EU Passport holders, but that seems to include everyone except the UK and I can't see why the UK would be any different. Maybe the ad is badly written?

 

Is it because everyone hates the UK in Europe now? ;)

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That seems weird. I could see if they wanted EU Passport holders, but that seems to include everyone except the UK and I can't see why the UK would be any different. Maybe the ad is badly written?

 

Is it because everyone hates the UK in Europe now? ;)

In that case I assume we'll start seeing job offers in UK for non EU passport holders.

 

An I also assume they won't want our tourism money either.

 

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On Facebook, Tui are looking for overseas resort technicians - but UK passport holders are not acceptable. Considering a large majority of their customers are Brits, there is a double standard here.

 

Hi all, we are currently looking for technicians for our upcoming Summer contract for TUI Blue and TUI Gold concepts in various European destinations. We are looking for NON-UK passport holders only on this occasion. If you are interested in finding out more please feel free to email me at xxxxxxxxxxxx

Many thanks and stay safe!!!

 

If it's a resort in Europe then UK Passport holders will need work permits and visas, so why go through all the hassle when there's good technical staff available from 31 other countries that don't need them? It's a result of Brexshit taking away our Freedom of Movement Rights.

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Maybe - but it should be a two way street. The UK touring market will suffer if we cannot go to EU, but equally when they come here, they expect access. Are we requiring visas? It looks to me like Tui are blaming Brexit, but plenty of holiday locations are outside Europe, and visa processing is part of what holiday firms do all the time - excluding the UK is grossly unfair - and of course the recruitment is usually done by a UK company, who now find themselves excluding UK citizens. I think it's discrimination - others will disagree.
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but it should be a two way street. The UK touring market will suffer if we cannot go to EU, but equally when they come here, they expect access.

it never has been a 2 way street ,try organising a tour to the usa for a british artist ,then compare it to organising a tour of a us artist to the uk.Theirs nothing stopping you touring europe,fill in the correct paper work,pay any fees and of you go,don't forget your carnet/duplicates list if your taking any kit.

but plenty of holiday locations are outside Europe, and visa processing is part of what holiday firms do all the time

Normally its up to the customer to sort there own visa out,holiday firms just flog the holidays

excluding the UK is grossly unfair

what about uk firms excluding non uk residence from applying for jobs? Due to brexit there new hoops to jump through and costs to bare going either way,do you expect company's to spend a tiny bit of there profits on the bureaucracy of employing somebody when they can get the same worker locally free ?

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Are we requiring visas?

Yes, yes we are.

 

The one tiny glimmer of hope we have at the moment is that all the tents that came to the uk for festivals basically can’t (because of the visa and carnet requirements) so we are picking up some of that business. It’s only a temporary solution though as work-arounds and trained local crew will become viable after a couple of years.

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Maybe - but it should be a two way street. The UK touring market will suffer if we cannot go to EU, but equally when they come here, they expect access. Are we requiring visas? It looks to me like Tui are blaming Brexit, but plenty of holiday locations are outside Europe, and visa processing is part of what holiday firms do all the time - excluding the UK is grossly unfair - and of course the recruitment is usually done by a UK company, who now find themselves excluding UK citizens. I think it's discrimination - others will disagree.

 

Well the EU offered a deal on not needing visas and work permits but our government turned it down as it didnt want to to give visiting musicians and crew longer than thirty days work in the UK without a permit or visa.

 

It's grossly unfair that our own political masters are taking our rights away.

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In the interests of Forum rules and general decency I am hereby self-moderating this post on political and foul language grounds.

 

By the way Paul isn't Therese Coffey your MP?

 

Oops, blown it on both counts.

 

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Where's the "high five" emoji on this thing?!?

 

While the ad is poorly worded (it IS a facebook ad after all), it is not discriminatory, in a legal sense. If there is no deal for entertainment workers, the company is within their rights to not offer posts to non-EU citizens. When technical roles are advertised at my organisation, there is a statement that no certificate of sponsorship is available for the post, thereby excluding anyone that does not already have a visa. If someone already has a visa for Europe, I am sure they could appeal in their application. Work visas take a lot of admin and expense, and companies that do things on the cheap - like TUI - will not be willing to go to the hassle. They don't pay the resort staff very well, so why would they pay for their permit applications as expected?

 

There may also be union rules that have come into effect, like trying to get a visa to do technical work in the US, which is nigh on impossible unless it's a creative role.

 

Don't blame a European company. Blame the people who voted for Brexit and the government that has handled the entire process so incompetently. Sorry, will try to keep this non-political.

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Thanks, Nat. To take this off the high gas onto simmer there are a few things we might care to remember.

 

Voting Leave has taken the UK back to almost as things were in the 1960's before we invented this industry. I say almost because in those days (as a senior MD reminded me once) there were a couple of hundred of us racing around in old ambulances doing gigs on USAF bases or months long residencies in Hamburg. There weren't enormous gert rock tours or the international trade associated with them and that MD didn't have 1,200 freelance sound and lighting guys on his books alone. We could do the paperwork, get torn apart by the customs drug squad and be on the road again in an hour (almost!).

 

Nowadays even Paulears is talking about seven and a half tonners and Tom the Tent is seeking local crew in Switzerland. It is a different world and "alas" the UK has chosen not to be part of it any more. Whether that is a good thing or not is the politics but the fact is things can never be the same unless we rejoin. The promises of frictionless trade whilst leaving the SM and CU were always lies. Brexit in any form introduces barriers, the NI protocol creates borders and the politicians and people of the UK (England) voted for it overwhelmingly.

 

That being so we now find ourselves a Third Country just like over a hundred others and need to adjust our approach with that in mind. We introduced these restrictions and visas and any possible "discrimination", they are consequences of our actions. Where I think BR might be a future resource is if we are all open and honest about our difficulties and how we surmount them. How did Tom get his trucks unloaded, what did Paul do about his load? Maybe, if we build up enough knowledge the Mods might think about a members only forum thread where people may ask and give experiential advice? I am retired so it does not affect me but what do you guys think?

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If you don't like TUI's interpretation of Brexit wait until people start to travel again and the European airlines look for crew. Brits can't work on internal EU flights only UK to EU which is not how most low cost carriers operate their fleets. A lot of jobs will not come back to this side of the Channel.
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I'm having to take it on the chin - I was wrong. I voted to leave. I had a choice and clearly made the wrong one. Got offered a little job and discovered the carnet I need is more than the budget can stand. It was a gamble anyway with travel restrictions, but would have been nice. The band's foreign trips will be no more too. My own MP Kerry is a fella called Peter Aldous, not the one you mentioned.

 

 

Most of the negatives we now have, I don't think I was aware of - I don't know why. Maybe it's time to think about retirement? Oddly my covid swap of business focus is actually working, and it doesn't involve remotely the same effort!

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