Guy's hi, I don't use forums that often so most of you wil not know me, I live in the southeast of england and have been mobile dj'ing for 30 years now and have a fairly large show, so to this end I ask:- I am running a RCF rig at the moment consisting of 4 1018 event's and 2 Event 4000's powered by the larger QSC powerlite's,2 off, giving me a total of 3600 watts RMS genuine power,I now find that I am working on my own a lot and handling the 1018's on my own is hard, so I have decided to downsize to "something" but would not want to lose the power, but do want smaller cabs, I am thinking about getting the DAP PRO system, again with 4 bass cabs and 2 tops, has anyone used these at all? I am sure they would not compete with the RCF rig but needs must when the devil drives!! also I don't want my pants pulled down on price, as we are all on a budget! any idea's and comments would be greatfully recieved. thanks for the help cheers, Dave

I wouldn't touch DAP audio with a very, very long barge stick. There's a local bar that uses their speakers here in Bath (they're almost brand new as well) and they aren't exactly overworked - shocking sound.

Have a look at the HZ range light plastic subs 20 kilos but very efficient

+1 for HZ. They were using them in a venue I was in last night and they're very impressive for an inexpensive plastic cabinet. I've used the HE200s as well which are very good speakers IMO.

What is your budget?

We could suggest all manner of things but we need to know this first.

What room size do you play to on average?

Do you really need 4 Subs? Something like the RCF TT+ using a 12" top and 18" Sub on each side could be enough, you really need to hire a few different systems and see.

Josh

I have heard good reviews about this system.

Although I have not heard it for myself.
I understand it's the fortyline successor.

+1 for the TT+.

8kg lighter for the tops and 20kg lighter for the subs by the looks of it.

I still maintain my earlier comment that more efficient speakers might mean you only need 2 subs now.

The Flexsys is Active too which means no heavy amps to carry around and you could sell your current kit off as a full system.

Josh

I think you're on the button there Josh, I would not like to lift 52kg on my own!

When the OP comes back with a budget, more specific advice can be given.

To add, I have heard the dB tech fiftyline, and although a beast to move on your own, it certainly delivers plenty of punch.

the flexsys systems do look very interesting. I'd be interested to hear back from a user about them.

We all seem to be assuming the current system isn't efficient. They weren't exactly a budget range. So getting an efficient sub nowadays is unlikely to give you twice the output.


Alex, do feel free to pop up and listen to a pair of the DAP boxes (not the DAP Pro ones, some not as good and not as expensive) and then feel free to repeat your comment about them being shocking if you can. Let's not just assume that because we've heard a BUDGET box in what WILL therefore be a BUDGET INSTALL from an install company that doesn't charge alot that the boxes themselves are rubbish. I'd suggest getting a barge pole and giving one a bit of a prod.

It's not to say that I would suggest them, just that they're not to be thrown out of the window due to one crappy bar install that Alex probably shouldn't have been in.

There are going to be boxes on the second hand market that will far outperform the dappro boxes if they're the few boxes from the range I'm thinking of.

Not much else I can suggest without knowing a budget, also, will you be selling the RCF's will their price be included in the budget, or could you put that to it additionally?

I'd happily have a listen, and in fairness to DAP, the cabinets I'm talking about are their super-budget range (15" cab for ~£90, you can't exactly expect much can you). I should've mentioned that in my original post, as opposed to the sweeping statement.

Still, from my (limited) experience of DAP so far, I cannot say I'm impressed.

About 5 years ago I bought a pair of DAP boxes to use for small gigs, 2x15 +1.4. they were £300 for the pair and sound great. I don't use them anymore due to not having the use for them but can't grumble at them.

Well Stage Electrics quoted us for a DAP Audio Line Array, so it can't be all bad if they are shifting the DAP Audio gear, can it?

What concerned me more than anything was the DAP Audio Palladium amplifiers they specc'd to drive it - we have one already in a budget PA we move around the building and it isn't great.

Can't be bad........ / High profit margins..........

You decide.

Hi guys, gosh what interest this topic has started, my budget is about £2500-£3000 I really do not want a powered system, you see I'm old school and do like my amp rack, and am running 2 powerlites from QSC with all the parefenalia that goes with sig processing, and I like flashing lights;) so unpowered would be good, I am looking around maybe secondhand if the kit is in good condition, what I really want is lightness, as I am getting older, and find "humping getting harder!!!" I only say 4 bass cabs as that is what I am running and of course the smaller the bass cab the less thump produced, cheers guys, keep the advice coming, scuddmann

Might I recommend the Nexo PS8/LS400 system or Nexo PS10/LS500 system if you are after some nice light boxes which are unpowered, they produce some high SPLs and are well made. They are my default 'small but pokey' system for around that budget, I myself have a PS8/LS400 system and I can't fault it.

As for flashy lights, the TD controller required to run the system has some nice activity and protect lights on it.

Hi, again the Nexo was a system that I planned to look at, and as for the budget, £2.5-£3k was about my total limit, I don't really want to spend too much as, to be honest, I am probably at the tail end of my mobile DJ'ing career having been on the road for 30 years!!!! I used to run Cerwin Vega earth quakes T36's and have never been quite as happy with all the subsiquent systems! Rcf is close but not quite as panifull in the bass department, anyway as I say gigs and money in my part of Kent are fewer than they should be and I'll be blowed if I will start giging for £120 a show again, not after 20 years, my problem is I love sound, really love sound, and even when I do finally hang up my "cans" I would like to keep a nice sound system for myself, as to the DAP PRO the system I was talking about was the X series so it would be 4x DAP 18 sub woofers and 2x DAP X series 15" mid/tops, giving a total 2400 watts bass an 1000 watts top, at £2200 approx, so not the cheaper one's, has anyone heard or used such a system or am I in opening a locked door here? anyway it's nice that you guy's have responded and thanks for the info/debate, keep on jock'ing all the best, Dave

DAP Pro have a number of boxes. They do both point source and line source boxes aswell. I'm guessing they're not bad at all in the grand scheme of things but to buy something like this new is a waste of money, you can buy named gear that WILL be better researched and better designed and no doubt better sounding second hand for less.


The X series were not the ones I was thinking of but I have heard them. They do the job, I'd be more than happy to use them on a gig that they were suitable for, but I wouldn't be spending any money of them. They're alot of money for what they are and what they do.

OH!!!!