I am after a small amp/speaker set and was recommended the 't.amp 1050' and 'the box pa 202' speakers, but would like to get some comments on the alternatives aswell. In particular the similarly speced (on paper) but cheaper 'the box pa 12'; the higher speced but also cheaper 'the box pa 15' and the lower speced but more compact 'the box pa 110'. Would there be a great difference in sound quality between these speakers? I am currently planning on using 2 x 1.5mm speaker cable, would this be adequate for this setup or should I up it to the 2 x 2.5mm cable?

Also, I have read that daisy chaining 2 speakers on one channel can result in a slight delay on the second speaker, is this purely due to the cable length or does it also have something to do with using the passthrough port of the first speaker. If it is due to cable length would the same be true for different cable lengths when connecting 1 speaker per channel, ie: if the left speaker was 5m away from the amp but the right speaker was 20m away, would I be OK using a 5m cable and a 20m cable or would I be better off using two 20m cables and leaving one partially coiled up? Is there a maximum cable length I can use before this delay becomes noticable?

I can't help with the difference between speakers as I've no experience using them.

You will not get any delay between speakers due to cable length or passthrough. (Actually you will but it's far too small to worry about, even if you had 1000s of meters of cable)

Can't comment on those speakers, as I have never used them. But what are you using them for? You're comparing a 10", a 12" and a 15".


If the cables aren't too long (say 10m) then 1.5 should be fine. Personally, I'd go for the 2.5, cos it's not that much dearer, and it may come in useful at a later date if you move to higher-powered stuff

Where? It's nonsense.

Somewhere in the region of 1000 kilometres?

Sorry my mistake, it was the delay due to multiple front and rear speaker placement and sound reaching the audience that I read about. Thats what I get for trying to concentrate on more than one thing at a time

before asking anyone to compare speakers, you need to explain what you will use them for

DJ, band, solo singer, choir music, theatre, they all vary greatly

There will be no specific use for them, they will be used for playing music, movies, powerpoint presentations that have annoying sound effects put on just for the hell of it, micing speakers, micing singers, just about everything really.

Ok so will this be singers in a band, or to backing tracks?
What size audience is expected?

I cannot comment and audio from the 10" and 12", but I have heard an act at my local club with the 15"'s, they were actually not that bad.

The difference between the three would possibly be lf, as I would presume they all have the same transducers, (hf) and the difference being
physical size.

What is it you do?
Conferences?

They will be used as part of a permanent install in a school hall (fairly small about 13m x 18m x 5m) for everyday use in assemblies and for small events (we have a larger system we put out for large events and productions). It will most likely only be used for singing a very small fraction of the time (usually to a backing track or keyboard), mostly it will be used for playing videos and background music. Audience wise will be around 150-200 most of the time.

Whats the budget?
Is the school paying for this?

I assume you have a mixer?
Give us a rundown on the existing kit you have, Sorry for all the questions, but we need to know the full story.
What experience have you with installing sound kit?
I'm not trying to be condescending!
It seems to me you need a complete system, mics, cables,mixer,amp,speakers?

Yes the school is paying for it so the budget is limited, I haven't actually been given a specific budget, only keep it as cheap as possible. No kit for this project has been purchased as yet and the only things from our existing kit that may be used on this system is a couple of Sennheiser radio mics (attached as and when required, not permanently installed). The mixer we are currently looking at getting is the Behringer RX1602, the system is to be installed in an enclosed rack cabinet so any equipment installed will need to have front mounted controls with all inputs/outputs on the back, the Behringer seems to fit the bill in this situation. I will look at what cables I need when I have decided on the main hardware required. I consider my experience to be high level beginner moving up to intermediate, I understand what needs to be plugged in to where to get sound out even if I don't know the science behind it most of the time.

can I just say that unless it's to be set and forget, behringer equipment in schools is a bad idea. its cheap for a reason.

I can break D&B speakers just as easily as Behringer ones, thing is, I can afford to replace behringer ones from my back pocket.

There's always 2 sides to an argument.

Whereabouts are you OP?

You could order any cabs from the likes of thomann, but if you have not heard them you don't know if they are what you are after. (regardless of comments on here)
Get yourself down to your local pa shop and have a listen to some cabs.

Let the store do the leg work!
Tell them the app, and let them suggest some speakers, but DON'T tell them its for a school, there is a chance they could try to talk yourself and the keeper of the purse into something expensive which I think you don't need.

Servicing Behringer desks is goddam difficult - in fact it's impossible. Having opened several up (including my own), you cannot really replace the faders or pots should one go down.

Hmm, and looking at this for a main mixer, I wouldn't want to!
Also, looks very basic, there isn't even and top/middle/low eq control.

There are a lot of better mixers for similar money.

In my school's dining hall we have one of these. We have 2 Wireless Mics, a CD player and a PC attached to it.

It seems like it will fit the bill better.

Josh

Our school has just bought PA12 speakers along with Warrior DA300 amp, Soundcraft EPM6 mixer, mics, cables and stands for £500. Adding a CD player for £100. All sounds OK to me and the teacher whose budget it was loves it.

I had the misfortune of encountering a 1U IMG stageline mixer once. Not that particular model - this one had only line inputs.

Sounded like a bag of snakes.

We've never had a problem with Hiss on this one. It, along with the rest of the system, is left on at all times in a locked unit so teachers can just turn on a Mic or plug in a laptop and use it without knowing how to use the mixer.

Josh

I have learned over the years that a mixer is NOT 'a mixer'.

I used to use a MG16/6fx, which was sold to me as mid range quality.
Since using a dynacord, the difference is so, well, different!

Quality desks really do make the difference, lets go back to basics.

Source, cables, desk, cables, amp, cables, speaker cabs. Any side chain aux gear, needs to be as good as the rest.
One weak link, and you may as well have ALL weak links.

Your forgetting something John. And no it's not your tablets.

The room, and then the audiences (and your) ears right at the end. You are right about one thing though. The Source.

IMO its the bits right at the start and right at the end that make the most difference.