[IRW]

ninjadingle, on 17 April 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

Latest news...

Yesterday I was trained by AAP on Tallescope use. Strangely enough rescue plans came into the conversation, and AAP are currently investigating a modification to allow the scope to tip with a casualty in the basket. Not going to go into the ins or outs of it in case it changes, but what they are proposing seems a viable option.

Ha! And that modification will no doubt involve venues spending even more money with AAP for the new modification kit...

Edited to add:

It seems to me that AAP are getting increasingly desperate to keep tallescopes going. Maybe they should just design a new product from the ground up that you can buy off-the-shelf that does not need post-design extra bits bolting on to create a safe working platform (for what we intend).

Don't get me wrong- I think they have their place- for example, when they are being used statically as originally intended, and when moved sensibly (as previously discussed) on an empty and flat stage by competent persons. It's when you have to start spending time flapping outriggers around to get around bits of scenery and walls that I think scopes start to become more of a burden, but being used for the sake of it, when it may be quicker and safer to get the Zarges out to get to the odd lights that can't be safely reached (when used in accordance with MI's) from a scope.

The aforementioned MonkeyTower seems to solve a lot of the problems mentioned so far about tallescopes, now if only they could design a version that was a one more section taller, it could probably take the place of a scope in many venues!

This post has been edited by IRW: 17 April 2012 - 01:43 PM

[the kid]

I MAY be wrong but I was under the impression that AAP didn't own the design etc it was / is owned by someone else.

[madorangepanda]

It was originally designed and built by Upright in Ireland but AAP bought the manufacturing a few years back. Whether or not they still work with Upright in designing them or on any of the modifications done so far I don't know.

[kerry davies]

Pedant Alert; Instant Upright sold the rights in 2008 for design, manufacture, sales and distribution of the Tallescope originally designed when they were in Berkeley, California. Interesting to note that having sold thousands of the things to a wide range of industries, by 2008 they were only selling around 200 a year, predominantly to theatres.

Upright used to be the name of Snorkel who sell powered access equipment and Upright Access, based in Auckland, sell tower scaffs etc. Confusing, innit?

[Riddle]

An example of a rescue harness can see here, combined with a dedicated rescue kit and good a quality training course may provide a theatre with the starting point to a rescue plan.

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[spanieltech]

Just a thought. No one has suggested calling the fire brigade. I am harness and rope rescue trained from a previous venue. Using rope rescue techniques means the person on the platform has to be harnessed up not necessarily clipped off to anything. So getting the tallie to a suitable place we're someone can attach a rescue line means having at least four members in your crew not to including the poor chap on the scope. Actually winching someone out of a scope basket has the potential to cause further injury.

My point I suppose is that are scopes suitable for working at height anymore. In a previous venue I used a hydraulic vpp which in the event of a lose of power can be lowered from the deck.

Hope this helps

[david.elsbury]

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In a previous venue I used a hydraulic vpp which in the event of a lose of power can be lowered from the deck.

Welcome to the forum. If you have a look back over the previous 100 or so posts in this topic, and other tallescope topics, I'm pretty sure you'll find that yes, rescue by the fire service has been mentioned. Also, there are particular reasons why a hydraulic man lift (such as I believe you to be referring to) isn't always a direct swap out for a tallescope, some venues just can't take the weight of a self powered MEWP.

David

[IRW]

Just spotted this on the news, and thought it was fairly on topic. interesting to note that the chap was brought down to ground by "Specialists from Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service's Urban Search and Rescue Team".

Would be interesting to see the company's method statement for rescuing an employee from a crane cab!

[Seano]

IRW, on 28 April 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Would be interesting to see the company's method statement for rescuing an employee from a crane cab!

That news report says the crane driver had "back injuries", and was treated in-situ by paramedics before being evacuated (presumably on a spinal board). I don't think the 'in-house' rescue plan is really relevant here, as it prolly wouldn't have come into play in any case - from a first-aid point of view if a spinal injury is suspected and you don't need to move the casualty, you don't move the casualty.

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[Andrew C]

IRW, on 28 April 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Just spotted this on the news, and thought it was fairly on topic. interesting to note that the chap was brought down to ground by "Specialists from Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service's Urban Search and Rescue Team".

Would be interesting to see the company's method statement for rescuing an employee from a crane cab!

I work with the wife of one of the S&R team (he used to be a plumber here). I could ask...

[Andrew Edwards]

I would say that the plan for rescue from that crane is 'carry casualty down the stairs'. The picture is small but it looks like it has them all the way up to the cab.

I suspect the only reason he was [eventually!!!] lowered down is due to the back injury. The injury must have been sufficient for them not not risk handling him down all those stairs.

[Riddle]

IRW, on 28 April 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Just spotted this on the news, and thought it was fairly on topic. interesting to note that the chap was brought down to ground by "Specialists from Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service's Urban Search and Rescue Team".

Would be interesting to see the company's method statement for rescuing an employee from a crane cab!

This is one method for crane rescue.

The equipment used in that rescue was made by heightec, the Ambulance HART Paramedics were also trained and supplied by heightec

Andrew Edwards, on 30 April 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

I would say that the plan for rescue from that crane is 'carry casualty down the stairs'. The picture is small but it looks like it has them all the way up to the cab.

I suspect the only reason he was [eventually!!!] lowered down is due to the back injury. The injury must have been sufficient for them not not risk handling him down all those stairs.

There is also the risk to those involved carrying the casualty down the narrow stairs, lowering someone will also provide a smoother, quicker and less stressful ride to the ground. The priority of any rescue (trying to stay on topic ) is the safety of those involved in the rescue. A difficult thing to deal with for anyone working in Entertainment industry due to friendships and from some recent meetings family members are often involved. This alone would be a good enough reason to ensure rescue plans are robust and the equipment chosen is designed to keep the rescue team from harm.

The offer to discuss Tallescope rescue to any interested party still stands.