ljbar Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Hi everybody, I am making a stage design and the client sent me this picture as reference: Reference Image I never used so many par 64 together and my question is what things to have in mind when designing this part of the show. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empyfree Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Rigging... power... lotsa dimmers, control. Seems like a simple effect, and is, but there’s a lot of it, tons of soca and hundreds of dimmer channels needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyld Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Give them birdies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 So that's what? 210 units. So 210 channels of dimmer, 840 Amps of power in 240V land or 1680 Amps in 110V land. 35 soca runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Remo Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 If it’s from Glastonbury it was 792 pars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmeh2 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Hi Depending on budget, you can do exactly as the above. I'd ask for 400A 3ph supply @ 240v, which is 1200A. If not, consider using high powered LED pars which take a lot less. I have done a similar effect but I used a battery of Studio Due CS4 in a 64-way matrix which equated to 16 units arranged 8 x 2. Design power was 90A for the lot, and easily fit into a single universe of DMX. All the best.Timmeh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljbar Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Hi Depending on budget, you can do exactly as the above. I'd ask for 400A 3ph supply @ 240v, which is 1200A. If not, consider using high powered LED pars which take a lot less. I have done a similar effect but I used a battery of Studio Due CS4 in a 64-way matrix which equated to 16 units arranged 8 x 2. Design power was 90A for the lot, and easily fit into a single universe of DMX. All the best.Timmeh. Hi Timmeh, Using the CS4 is not a bad idea. I will see if I can get a rental who has them near me. I never saw one live but they apear to have strong beam beam effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 You could certainly get the design power down by using 300W PAR56s, depending on how much 'pixel' control you want some sensible pairing could reduce the cabling too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Some more info on the show from your reference image here. Note that the image showing the cabling and dimmers is only half of it. If you're flying don't underestimate the load of the cabling alone. When I have done this in the past I have doubled up for dimmer and cabling efficiency (ie. one soca run to two bars with a splitter at the bars). Depends whether you must have individual control of each lamp or not. You could even consider using 500W lamps to reduce power requirements and theoretically have four per channel although this might be harder to achieve in reality. (note that I am basing this on 230V and 10A dimmers) Alternatively I have been very impressed by these 2-cell LED DWE equivalent fixtures from Luxibel. They can be arrayed, have an automated red shift across the dimming range and a natural fade out when flashed. I am seriously considering using these to reduce the power load if I need to achieve the effect again in the future. Although I really like the heat of the tungsten...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadingle Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 If they want the effect and aren't worried about beam angles etc then perhaps using a lot of 5x5 matrix panels would work? Obviously the rig wouldn't look the same visually and the beams wouldn't be as nice but could be a good way of achieving it a) with not as much cost b) with not as much weight and c) with not as much power requirements! Something like this would have been ideal - shame it's discontinued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maeterlinck Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Lots of hire companies have suntrips which would give a mini version. Or as suggested 5x5 panels, PRG used to have loads of Jarags. Even using 6 way parbars will reduce the cable and time on this if you can be flexible on the lamp pitch.As said cable will at least double the weight of whatever you build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andygwk121 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Ive had over 200 par 64s in a back wall array as blinders I cant remember the exact amount off the top of my head as blinders for a large edm show. As stated above its simple really Rigging, Cables, Lots of power and art racks also lots of soca means lots of extra weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musht Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Lest we forget, by 1979 Queen were all out with the walls of PARs, its all there was http://www.queenconcerts.com/detail/rigs/1979_lk%7C79-01-23_Hanover_11.html Updated to 200 movers, probably brighter with less cabling and a whole lot more looks in it https://jands.com/archive-2860/vista-l5-for-queen-and-adam-lambert/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin D Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 If in a confined space, and using PAR64's, getting rid of the heat can be a huge problem. That can in itself create issue with more power required and of course noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljbar Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 Lest we forget, by 1979 Queen were all out with the walls of PARs, its all there was http://www.queenconc...Hanover_11.html Updated to 200 movers, probably brighter with less cabling and a whole lot more looks in it https://jands.com/ar...d-adam-lambert/ What movers are those if I might ask? Edit: Mac 101 What I dont like about those is that you can see the individual leds. That´s not the effect I am looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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