ben.suffolk Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hi, I have just bought an antari cracked oil hazer (HZ-400), I got it second hand at a great price, but I now need to buy some fluid for it. I have been told that it can run on the Antari Misty Haze water based fluid, but it will be a lot more visible than the oil based fluid (HZL-1), and the effect I am after is invisible haze, but very visible beams of light. Any thoughts on the accuracy of this statement? Do I need to use the Antari fluid, or are the other oil based fluids that will work fine, are they in fact all the same? Does anybody know a cheap supplier (I am in Bristol, could do mail order but that adds to the cost for comparison). I have found this website to be the cheapest so far :- http://www.jpleisure.co.uk/item1280.htm They sell 5L of the Antari HZL-1 fluid for £44.69 + £10 postage inc VAT I also forgot to mention that I will be using very little of this, so really can't see me using more than a couple of liters in the next 18 months, so don't want to end up buying in bulk to get the price low. Regards Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoppaDom Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 The price you've been quoted does sound a little high however Oil fluid isn't cheap and so I would suggest that it's probably a good buy. As with projectors a "good buy" on the surface isn't always the best. Fluids and lamps are always worth investigating prior to purchase! Poppadom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben.suffolk Posted February 12, 2005 Author Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hi, As a follow up, they don't have any stock, and Antari themselves can't supply for another month or so as they are having stock problems, so this brings all the questions back down to one important one :- Are all oil based cracker fluids basically the same, will the other makes that I can get from suppliers that have stock work fine, like for example the Smoke Factories fluid for the Mr Mister, or RealEffects fluid for the DF50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Ferguson Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Smoke and Haze fluids are not all the same. Each manufacturer mixes their own fluid and the machines are designed to match the fluid. Using the wrong fluid in a machine normally ends up with the machine being blocked due to residues from the fluid being deposited in the heat exchanger. The manufacturers do not warranty their machines if the wrong fluid is used. So my recommendation is always use the fluid that is designed for the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben.suffolk Posted February 13, 2005 Author Share Posted February 13, 2005 I know this to be the case with smoke machines, so completely agree with you there, however as this is a cracked oil hazer which has no heating elements in it at all, and therefore no place for residue to build up (working by vaporising the oil with high air pressure compressors) I was wondering if the same rules applied. My thoughts being that mineral oil is basically mineral oil right? Or is that wrong? Under normal circumstances I would defiantly be buying the recommended fluid, but as its not available for some time, I was hoping somebody who knows a little bit more about cracked oil machines might be able to shed some light onto the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet UK Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 Hello, check out www.terralec.com or direct link - http://216.71.107.24/listproducts.php?prodgroup=66 they have the machines and also the fluid, it must be a mistake if this machine is a cracked oil machine, because it is Listed at only £14.90 for 5L of fluid??? I know the last time I bought cracked oil for a cirro it was about £50 for 5L but it lasts a long time, give them a call, its worth a try, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny baby Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 I would give ROBEuk a phone call, as the HZ-400 uses the same fluid as there machine. ROBE hazer 400 vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben.suffolk Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 Thanks for the advice, Doesn't that look remarkably similar to the Antari one!!! I needed the fluid last week, so I bought some DF50 fluid which works just fine. Antari (not UK) said any high quality oil based fluid would be fine. It looks like (at least from the safety data sheet) that its pure white mineral oil anyway, so I guess you can't go wrong between suppliers. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian kirby Posted March 8, 2005 Share Posted March 8, 2005 The Haze fluid shown on the Terralec website looks like normal water based stuff to me and the price supports this theory. I am sorry that we do not have any Antari oil in stock, we normally have a decent stock level of this. For your info we normally supply it in either 1ltr form at £15 or 5lt at £60, these are our recommended retail prices you may find dealers offering it at discount prices on thir websites. Regarding the Robe hazer this product is made by Antari for robe using thir brand name. We have nice Amptown flight cases in stock for the HZ400 which allows it to operate whilst in the case. Cheers Ian Kirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlorenz Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I don't wanna open another topic for that... I'm going to buy a SGM Haze400 machine... standard re-brand machine like other suppliers... http://sgmlight.com/...-400/c-23/p-165 I suppose it's a oil-craker machine... isn't it?what kind of haze fluid need I? I'm going mad about oil-based and water-based fluid... thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 what kind of haze fluid need I?What does the manual say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlorenz Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 on website it's not written, I can only get infos about fluid: DEA HAZER 400 HAZE SMOKE Code: 050_2334Dispersion: fastDensity: light hazeEffect: nebulize very evenlyContainer: 5 litresand on manual: se only dealer-recommended high-quality Hazerliquid . Any other types of fluid may cause health hazard and damage the unit. Edit: also found this: SGM HZL-1 Hazer liquid was designed for the use with SGM Hazer 400. SGM HZL-1 is a non-toxic solutionthat produces a pure, translucent Hazer with extremely long hang time and low moisture, perfect forHZ-400. Important: Never mix oil-based and water-based Hazer liquids. Before switching the kind of Hazer liquidin use, completely drain the Hazer’s tank to avoid mixing. seems it can work with both oil and water based? of course not standard fog fluid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Johnstone Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I've got the antarii version of that hazer. I've heard from the manufacture that any decent mineral oil will be fine, which it should be anyway considering how it works! So I bought Df50 fluid from Stage Electrics who were actually cheaper than other places! 35 quid plus vat I think it was for 5 litres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlorenz Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ook, mineral oil should be better than water based so I think I will buy that...the guy that sells that gives me 4-5liters of jem fluid so I hope to have enought for summer... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlorenz Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 ok I got my hazer 400 with Martin pro Haze fluid: http://www.thomann.de/gb/jem_techno_haze_fluid.htm haze seems REALLY invisible... too much for my thoughts... do you know if it is water based or mineral oil based? maybe is better to use another one?I don't want the cloud of fog but I'd like to see something out to the haze machine... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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