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I used to do it the other way around... The comms master station was at FOH, and I used the aux in and outs on it, to feed into a spare input on the sound desk, so I could use PFL to listen in, and then I had a talk back mic at the desk too, so fed that to an aux out channel, which was then fed to the aux in on the comms system. This way I only needed my proper headphones and not also a comms headset. On busy shows, for Qs where I didn't want headphones on, I could also feed comms to a wedge monitor to hear Qs easily.

You could split the weight by having separate unpowered subs, and an amplifier.

Looks too complicated from the photos - if the musician is busy playing/singing/performing on stage, then surely it needs to be more simple so they can quickly get to what they want... the original Behringer one looks simple, as do Avioms. Currently looking at an X32/M32 install for a church, and the 10 year warranty on the Midas kit is swinging it for me (if costed out as 3 year vs 10 year life) so was interested to see this from Midas to not have the Behinger kit for mons, but may be sticking with Behringer for this side now.

That was my thought, and then I don't like the idea of buying kit in the knowledge it will be redundant if the plan is/was to upgrade the desk to an M32, which seemed to be what they were discussing previously.

I'm going to put together three proposals for the church: 1. A staying analogue upgrade - Behringer mini-mixers/MA400 type units and a mic splitter for monitoring (defintiely want to stay away from wedges) 2. Going with the Behringer PowerPlay P16 systems, along with P16i and splitter etc Both the above would also include the need to add some outboard (at least a graphic EQ and a reverb unit) The eventual aim would be to move to an X32/M32, so both the above effectively throw away money on kit that will end up redundant 3. Go all in from the start with the X32/M32 with the P16 monitors and retire the analog mixer, but then not need to buy the outboard, or bodge together a monitoring system.

Yea, I'd looked at the MA400, but it seems it would work for someone who was just singing, and wanted control of their mic level against the mix, but for the guitar player who also sings (or the keyboard player who also sings, I can't see how this would work for them.) So I was then seemingly resigned to small/tiny mixing desks like the Behringer 502

My second post on trying to sort out the sound at church (different topic so thought best to use a different thread) On stage there is an electronic drum kit (Alesis Nitro/DM7X) the brain only has a stereo out, but even if it didn't the desk wouldn't be big enough to take individual outs anyway. My first thought was to think of the stereo out as two monos, and get kick and snare (and maybe hihat) on the left channel and everything else on the right (or something like that) to give a bit of control. Then I wondered if it would be possible to use a MIDI controller deck thingy with faders - thinking along the lines of Behringer's BCF2000. Is anyone familar with the Behringer controller, and/or the DM7X brain to know whether I could achieve this over MIDI, or have other suggestions? The FOH position isn't far from the stage, so I'm not concerned about the MIDI cable run.

I've not been a sound engineer for a few years now, so a bit out of touch with stuff, so would like to pick some of your brains please... Have volunteered to do sound at my church, and need to do some updates, but don't want to go out and spend their money before considering options. Big old stone church, so echoey. Currently silent stage with electric drums, DIed keyboard, DIed accoustic, keys and guit player also sing, sometimes a violin. Currently they use a tiny guitar amp type thing as a wedge monitor - they can't hear themselves or each other play, which is definitely worst for the drummer, who although young can play well, but keeps tripping up when he can't hear. As big old church, I'd like to keep the quiet stage, and go for a headphones option rather than lots of wedges, so have been trying to come up with some kind of personal monitoring system set up and can think of two options: they each have a headphone amp/mini mixer, so I can send an aux mix to them all from the desk A&H Zed 24 channel analog, but they have feeds of themselves. I can find headphone amps for this purpose, but seemingly trip up on finding one which will take a mix and line feed for the player as well as the aux mix in, so then this developed into needing a small mixer/splitters for each of them. The other option I can think of is to go digital with the headphones system, and use something like Behringer's PowerPlay P16-I with a passive splitter to give them all individual feeds, and then they each get a P16-M. The first solution keeps everything analog and is going to be cheaper. The second option gives us the P16-M units for when we upgrade to having an X32 or similar. But then the P16-I unit would be redundant, as I can't see an Ultranet input on it to use it with an X32 Any other suggestions/discussion welcome.